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Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:56 am

Suggestions?

My 175 is about finished and ready to fly. I need weatherstrip for the doors and pilot window. Also, I want to get field approvals for some 8:00X6 mains, 6:00X6 nosewheel with a 206 Fork and a Lightweight Alternator. You guys have any suggestions? PM me if you want. Thanks

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Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:04 am

Re: Suggestions?

Sorry Jerry, I can not help. But I would like to see some pictures of your plane.

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Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:12 am

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Jerry,

I'm not sure what you mean about weatherstripping but Great Lake Aero Products sells nice windows and they recommend a foam tape (which they sell) to go around the perimeter of the window to seal the installation in the channel. Then I use ProSeal 890B 1/2 or 1422B 1/2 to make a moisture seal around the installed window. This keeps out moisture and provides a nice seal.

I've just finished our Annual and we installed a PlanePower lightweight alternator in place of the Kelly grenade that we had. Ive been very impressed with the PlanePower so far and the mounting brackets are top-shelf and fit like a glove. Best of all the unit is PMA'd - no STC or field approval required! BTW, AirPower in Texas has the best price I've seen on these alternators ($449) because they agree'd to sell the PlanePower alt. and Sky-Tec starters exclusively, and they are owned by the same company.

We need some finished product photos. :D
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:00 am

Re: Suggestions?

Jaerl wrote:My 175 is about finished and ready to fly. I need weatherstrip for the doors and pilot window. Also, I want to get field approvals for some 8:00X6 mains, 6:00X6 nosewheel with a 206 Fork and a Lightweight Alternator. You guys have any suggestions? PM me if you want. Thanks

Jerry


I'd suggest you look at Alaska Aviation collage in Anchorage ---on the Merrial Field
for the brakes ,wheels and nose fork issue . They had a 172 with all theses mods. Light weight alternator go direct to manufacture and they may have approval. GO-300 likes to Run and run and run . Good cross country machine .Don't go doing touch and goes for hours unless you want to be changing output gears
(Al Ball at Santa Paula-SZP has PMA for manufacture ) a lot. Weather stripping on doors is avaiable at aircraft spruce -I have the seal for opening windows for Cessna for $2.00 bucks a foot(shipping extra) --about 8'ft. per side.
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:07 pm

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Hi Guys

I will get some photos as soon as the interior and panel are put back together. I have a full panel now and not just holes. I used old, cheap radios and instruments, but I am old and cheap so it will work for me. I just want to get it in the air and the only thing in the panel that worked was the clock. I am going to have two GPS's, a Airmap 2000c, and a Garmin 376c. The Garmin will have XM Weather and XM Radio and the Airmap has Terrain. The Garmin is a backup and can't be a panel mount because it is a Marine unit but it still has WX and straight line courses but it was a thousand less. Did I mention I was cheap?

The weatherstiping I need is the stuff around the inside of the doors. I did see some that you put on the fuseage and not the doors and the guys selling it claimed it was better. Anyone tried that?

Leemer, I might be better off just buying a new Alternator like yours and selling this one. Mine is a new Air Tec and looks nice but no approval. Inspector refuses to sign it off. Does your alternator have an internal regulator because this one did and I don't have the original one that goes on the firewall. Did yours come with all the brackets too?

Bill, I have heard there is a place in Anchorage that will get the field approval done for the 206 fork and nosewheels for $250. I will call the place you mentioned if it comes to that but I was hopeing for someone a little closer. My 175 is a Avcon conversion so no gears to worry about. If you have the "U" shaped stuff for the window please PM me and tell me how you want to get paid.

Thanks for the info
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:52 pm

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In regards to t weather stripping, I did the research, trying to find what seemed to be the best. Possably the co, you are talking about. Little pricey for me, but if it's good, I'll usually spend the extra bucks. They had it for the door, or the opening. I got it for the door, didn't make sense to me to put it on the opening, then draggin stuff over it.

Did not like it at all. Too fat. Others have used it and liked it. I guess if I were you I would try and find someoone w/the same model plane using it, and see how it looks, and what they have to say about it.

They were very nice about returning my money on the unused portion of my order. Ordered for my windows also, I guess my best thought on that would be over priced/over kill.

Probably spent over $200.00 and a lot of time for the disappointment.

Went down to the local Ace store, and for probably $20.00 or less, problem solved. Bought a roll of closed cell foam weather stripping, adhesive on one side

Nothin you would want on a show plane, but worked great, and was probably done in 10 mins.

There is probably something that would look better, for a reasonable price. If you get the right catalog, there are a lot of rubber mouldings available.


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Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:39 pm

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Jaerl wrote:Leemer, I might be better off just buying a new Alternator like yours and selling this one. Mine is a new Air Tec and looks nice but no approval. Inspector refuses to sign it off. Does your alternator have an internal regulator because this one did and I don't have the original one that goes on the firewall. Did yours come with all the brackets too?


Jerry, I think you may be money ahead to order the PlanePower. All the brackets were supplied and they are beefy, cad-plated units. I have an 0-360 similar to yours and the fit was perfect. Your AirTec will prolly fetch a few hundred bucks on Ebay so that lowers the price and no approval worries. If you are talking about a voltage regulator, no it is not built in to the alternator. You can get one from them seperately.

Also, Spruce has tons of door seal material that isn't too pricey, some of it is even approved :P :P.
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:17 pm

Re: Suggestions?

You might contact B&C Alternators. They make a pretty good lightweight 60 amp alt. all solid state and I believe PMA. They also have quite a few 337 copies available to help with a field approval. I know they have the one for my old buzzard (172 TD with 180 hp lyc conversion). The alternator worked great and was an easy field approval. Use the bent 206 fork, not the cast one.....more options on tires.
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:30 pm

Re: Suggestions?

The cast 206 fork is just fine as long as you stay with a 600 tire. I have had two 182B's with the 206/310 bent fork. I never intend to go bigger than a 600 in front. I really see no reason. Do you know anybody that lands a nose wheeler in gravel bars.

I think I will make a vidio. I will call it "Big Rocks, Long Props, and Bent Forks". #-o #-o #-o

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Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:09 am

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I think I will go with the Alternator that Leemer sugested. My mechanic will shoot me if I bring him one more thing to be field approved. The nosefork I bought is the one piece cast one. I don't think I will ever go any bigger than the 6:00. Next step up from the 6:00 would probably be a Maule.

I used to have a classic car restoration catalogue that had pages of different weather stripping but I can't find it. I really hate to pay $200 + for the weather stripping.
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:09 am

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Try the J C Whitney Catalogue http://www.jcwhitney.com/jcwhitney/text ... id=3166484

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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:14 am

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I ordered a bunch of weather strip from aircraft spruce a few years back. I didnt know what would work the best so I just ordered a variety. It was cheap.
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:43 am

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There is a guy on the cub site now and again named Randy Rubbert from ND. Class act kind of guy and has installed many Airtec alternators. I don't know if he has done one on a 175, probably not, but I would try calling him before I ditched a perfectly good alternator. He got one approved for my cub, and I used it to replace an InterAv...
If you want his contact info feel free to shoot me a PM.
Also, you might call Selkirk in Couerdlane on the Wx stripping. Myself... I went with the same program as Gary.
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:29 am

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I talked to Plane Power and it looks like I am stuck again. Manufacturers do STC by plane type. Unfortunately for me, mine is not a 175, it is a 175 with an Avcon Conversion. I can't find anyone with an STC for just the O-360.

If I go with a Plane Power Alternator, I will still need a field approval and also all the stuff to wire in a regulator too ($750 +). Plus I don't want any more weight up front because the CG moved 4" forward from what the original Cessna W&B was.

Rob, your right, I don't want to scrap this one if I don't have too. Looks like a nice unit. I will PM you for Randys contact info.

If that dosen't work I understand I can have an aircraft engineer give me somthing and then all is well and legal. How do you go about that? I was heading out in search of weatherstripping here locally. If that dosen't work I am going to order some from Aircraft Spruce. I have some doors off a 175 in my hanger and it looks like one of them has the stuff Aircraft Spruce sells. It looks OK. Thanks

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Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:12 pm

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qmdv wrote:Do you know anybody that lands a nose wheeler in gravel bars.

Tim


Well, for conversation's sake, since you mention it, yes I do. C206. With an 8.50 out front.
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:14 pm

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Jaerl wrote: If that dosen't work I understand I can have an aircraft engineer give me somthing and then all is well and legal. How do you go about that?
Jerry



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Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:54 pm

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once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:
qmdv wrote:Do you know anybody that lands a nose wheeler in gravel bars.

Tim


Well, for conversation's sake, since you mention it, yes I do. C206. With an 8.50 out front.


The strut lashup on a 206 is much superior to that of a 172,175, or 182. Guess it depends on the size of the gravel. 3/4 minus would be just fine in my plane. Not sure where you would draw a line though.

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Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:14 pm

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I had the same alternator problem with my 170 (delair conversion) I found out what alt was on the engine STC and it turned out plane power had a PMAd replacement for that alternator wich satisfied the feds. might be worth checking out.
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:26 pm

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Wow this is about as easy as it gets why all the fuss :shock: :shock:

Plane power AL12-70 make sure you reference the Lycoming part number for the old alternator in the log book

Plane power doesn't have STCs they are PMA and the 12-70 comes with all the mounts and brackets or you can get a 12-P70 no brackets and about 100 bucks less.

(O-360-A1A2, -A2A2, -A3A2, -B1A2, -B2A2, -B3A2, -C1A2, -C2A2, -C3A2, -D1A2, -D2A2, -D3A2, -E1A2, -E2A2, -E3A2, IO-360-A1A2, -A2A2, -A3A2, -B1A2, -B2A2, -B3A2, -C1A2, -C2A2, -C3A2, -D1A2, -D2A2, -D3A2, -E1A2, -E2A2, -E3A2)

Log book entry and a revised W&B your off and running =D> =D> =D>

PS maybe you need to shoot your mechanic
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:45 pm

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mr scout wrote:Wow this is about as easy as it gets why all the fuss :shock: :shock:

Plane power AL12-70 make sure you reference the Lycoming part number for the old alternator in the log book

Plane power doesn't have STCs they are PMA and the 12-70 comes with all the mounts and brackets or you can get a 12-P70 no brackets and about 100 bucks less.

(O-360-A1A2, -A2A2, -A3A2, -B1A2, -B2A2, -B3A2, -C1A2, -C2A2, -C3A2, -D1A2, -D2A2, -D3A2, -E1A2, -E2A2, -E3A2, IO-360-A1A2, -A2A2, -A3A2, -B1A2, -B2A2, -B3A2, -C1A2, -C2A2, -C3A2, -D1A2, -D2A2, -D3A2, -E1A2, -E2A2, -E3A2)

Log book entry and a revised W&B your off and running =D> =D> =D>

PS maybe you need to shoot your mechanic


Yup...what he said. Same goes for v-regulator.
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