gbflyer wrote:Put in an extra credit card. All that Winter survival BS cuts into the payload[emoji1]. I just wear a good coat and make sure the battery is charged in the inreach.

This guy has got the right idea. I don’t have an InReach but I do bring my sat phone and 2 batteries!

In the cargo compartment in or on top of a grab bag: Wool coat, insulated gloves, folding shovel, 8" folding saw" two (2) survival knives that are VERY sharp, wool watch cap, bear paw snow shoes with ice cleats on bottom, 20 petroeum soaked and foil wrapped cotton swabs, fire striker, water tight match container with 20 matches, down sleeping bag with waterproof silicon 10'x8' ground cloth. 1st aid kit in a metal can.

I wear insulated Sorrel boots and layered natural fiber (wool mostly) when flying cross country or outside of an airport environment. I also wear a survival vest with PLB (updated registration, current battery), signal mirror, some cliff bars, a Silva Pathfinder Compass, and other sundry stuff.

FWIW, stuff in the back is 'camping gear', but nice to have if the plane doesn't burn in a post crash fire.

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MontanaT-craft wrote:m_moyle,
Please tell me the details about that 4 pound 4 season tent you have (other than it is orange). Mine weighs 12 pounds and I doubt that it is truly adequate.

it’s a two person tent I bought six or seven years ago from Everest69.com the site doesn’t exist anymore..I’ll get a pic of it later..


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MontanaT-craft wrote:m_moyle,
Please tell me the details about that 4 pound 4 season tent you have (other than it is orange). Mine weighs 12 pounds and I doubt that it is truly adequate.

it’s a two person tent I bought six or seven years ago from Everest69.com the site doesn’t exist anymore..I’ll get a pic of it later..


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I lied...it weighs 6.4 pounds.... this outfit. https://www.everest1953.de/trekpeak2/



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Trying out skis for the first time this year. I’m adding a couple pair of the magnesium surplus snowshoes to my supplies. Have a Reiff heater, generator, wing covers, engine tent, Ready to eat meals, lots of clothing and sleeping bags. Heater, first aid. Probably carry a Jack-All also. Will make some stubs to fit in the ends of my wheel axles for jacking points. Booster battery.

Let's be honest, what's a survival kit without an emergency whiskey ration. I personally keep a 5th of Jack in the bag just in case, but of course the flavor is up to you.

CompSciAndFly wrote:Let's be honest, what's a survival kit without an emergency whiskey ration. I personally keep a 5th of Jack in the bag just in case, but of course the flavor is up to you.

If we're going down that road, you'd better include the Tums and maybe a flat of Prilosec for an extended time out.

"magnesium surplus snow shoes" Hmmmm

Kill two birds; scrape off some of your snow shoe, along with a sparker and you've got a fire started.

WYflyer wrote:"magnesium surplus snow shoes" Hmmmm

Kill two birds; scrape off some of your snow shoe, along with a sparker and you've got a fire started.

Not sure about the fire starting part, but snowshoes are pretty important for a ski-flyer. Might be worth upgrading to at least one set of nice snowshoes with modern bindings, etc..

Up north, the State of Alaska has a law about what is to be carried. It has been amended, but you used to have to carry a firearm of some sort.
Gotta love AK!

http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Sta ... ion110.htm

Here is an article courtesy of our beloved FAA

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/fi ... Flying.pdf


This is also a handy item to keep close

My thoughts on the magnesium snow shoes, summarized: first, I don’t care that magnesium might help start a fire. Got that covered other ways.

Not ideal as snowshoes go. My favourite are the traditional birch frame, babiche laced torpedo shaped snowshoes hand crafted by the Indians in Teslin, BC. I have a 70 year old set that are only good as wall hangars now. They are 10”x60” and their design is exquisite. Trouble is, they’re long to carry all the time in the plane, very expensive, and may not work when I need them most because they deteriorate over time.

The magnesium will work in a pinch and that’s the idea. Not going on an expedition. They’re cheap, and I’ll only need to buy them once. Cheap enough that I bought a pair for my unsuspecting, but yet unnamed passenger. Might need to go from where the airplane is stuck to a lake shore, to my cabin a mile away, or go collect wood and make a camp in the trees. I’ll test these snowshoes, and if I need them during an occurrence in 10 years, they’ll be in the same condition as when I last strapped them on. The birch/babiche, whether I use them or not, they’ll need TLC over the course of that 10 years. I know me. Better chance that the magnesium and steel lacing will be ready to go. If they best met US army mission expectations, they’ll probably meet mine.

Modern Plastic and aluminium tube recreational snow shoes just don’t appear to be big enough to float me on the snow conditions I’m expecting. Deep, powder on top, sugar in the middle, slush at the bottom. Not very wind packed.

I actually asked myself, “what would hammer say” before I bought these, and still decided the argument I had in favour of the magnesium won in my mind. (Because I respect what hammer knows when it comes to this stuff, but because I know I’m less diligent on all the fine details, and need a solution not dependant on the fine details)

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Or packing a runway to help your conveyance build inertia toward a takeoff and self rescue.

I’m sold on skis over snowshoes. I’ve been using the Altai Hoks - fat skis. They are faster than snowshoes to pack down an area.

flylow wrote:I’m sold on skis over snowshoes. I’ve been using the Altai Hoks - fat skis. They are faster than snowshoes to pack down an area.

Where do you carry them? In the cabin or strapped outside as an external load?

flylow wrote:I’m sold on skis over snowshoes. I’ve been using the Altai Hoks - fat skis. They are faster than snowshoes to pack down an area.

I've been using those too, but I'm not entirely sold on them. I find them better than snowshoes some places (much more efficient in flat or gently rolling terrain), and worse than snowshoes other places. Though admittedly, I have no talent as a skier in steep terrain, and I've never tried using them to pack down a airstrip. Transporting them does pose more of a logistical problem...longer and heavier than snowshoes.

The original tube-n-platform snowshoe was the Sherpa Snowclaw, and they made some fairly big models...much bigger than anything made today. I see them in second hand stores every now and again, and if the decking and lacing is still in serviceable condition (most of them are about 30 years old at this point) they are a good deep-powder option.

Almost every snowshoe I've seen on the market in the past decade is both ridiculously heavy and lacking in the flotation needed for powder snow, or for a heavy person carrying a pack. Many of them are just worthless unless you're on groomed snow.

The snowshoes I like are Northern Lites Tundra, in part because they weigh very little (24 ounces each) and you can put them on in a few seconds. They are also fairly narrow, so a somewhat normal gate is possible.



They don't have the flotation of the 5' cross country snowshoes, but they have more flotation than any of the other tube snowshoes I've seen, and there's no maintenance or warping or mildewing. They're also tough...I've used them for years in a variety of nasty conditions without anything other than cosmetic scratches as a result.

One place where snowshoes excel over skis, regardless of how much talent one might have as a skier, is in cutting firewood and poles and making a camp in deep snow. The maneuverability of snowshoes and the ability to work right in front of your feet makes pitching camp much easier, especially in snow conditions where it's impossible to move around without something for flotation. I tried cutting firewood while wearing Hoks...it wasn't at all satisfactory.

Winter survival gear for Texas (and maybe Florida?): windbreaker - preferably waterproof. Yep – that's about it...

Guess I'm in for a rude awakening if/when I ever get to the NW and Alaska!

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