I understand the rivalry between trikes and tailwheels but this is getting out of hand. Can't we all just get along?

http://homepage.mac.com/captmic/napa/PhotoAlbum10.html

RobBurson wrote:I understand the rivalry between trikes and tailwheels but this is getting out of hand. Can't we all just get along?

http://homepage.mac.com/captmic/napa/PhotoAlbum10.html

During nesting season, the trike (Piperous Cherokeeus), becomes very territorial. See how this trike swoops down to defend it's nest. The Tailwheel (Glastarus Bernardium), while sustaining some injury, is able to fly off... a little wiser for the experience.

http://californiaman500.com/planecrash.htm

Almost certainly a hate crime.

I can still hear the WTF's !!! echoing off the hills surrounding Napa.

Who cares? See and avoid. Too many pilots just blunder into uncontrolled airports waiting for some (non existent) air traffic controller to call traffic for them.

MTV

mtv wrote:Who cares? See and avoid. Too many pilots just blunder into uncontrolled airports waiting for some (non existent) air traffic controller to call traffic for them.

MTV

Napa is a towered field.

But still, ya gotta be looking outside too.

Gump

Low wing high
High wing low
Can't see shit
Without a 360,
You just don't know
Call the insurance company.

-1seventyZ

WTF!! all the way to Truckee! Call me crazy but when coming in to land do most people not have a look at the overall airport environment to get a clue as to who might cut them off, who's dog is going to run out on the runway,what Jet just departed,who may be sneaking into your hanger,what Maul driver is landing with no radio (Jab).........My feeling is open your eyes.Driving a nose dragger with a low wing will make it way harder to see below you(and easier to be picked on)The person in the tailwheel must have had a real fun ride to the other airport where they landed,Holy shit nothing like having no rudder(except maybe no elevator) can't really blame them for going somewhere else after you (pure speculation at this point)pulled out on the runway in front of some one landing (Even though people in the air should be able to see way more than people on the ground)I better stop now.........Again,WTF all the way to Truckee

I wonder if their Monroy Trafficwatches were going off?

What people wont do for a picture

This is why I hate to fly on weekends

I think there was a song about this.........

I CANT GET OVER YOU....TILL YOU GET OFF OF HIM

Side note: re. "Uncontrolled" Airports.

I recently came across what i consider an improved view, which I think would be a better way for both Pilots, and the Lost Lambs of the 'public' to view aviation.

Specifically there ar NO uncontrolled airports,
there are NON-Towered airports, which are Pilot Controlled...

Too bad there are some Un-controllable pilots

my2c

mtv wrote:Who cares? See and avoid. ..........MTV

Write "see and avoid" on the chalkboard one hundred times.....

low rider wrote:..... Call me crazy but when coming in to land do most people not have a look at the overall airport environment to get a clue as to who might cut them off, who's dog is going to run out on the runway,what Jet just departed,who may be sneaking into your hanger,what Maul driver is landing with no radio (Jab).........My feeling is open your eyes. ..............

Look at how many people just go blowing in on a long straight-in. There could be a disabled airplane, dead cow, or who knows what out there, which could be real hard to spot from a position in-line with the runway. Personally the only time I do a straight-in is at a tower controller's direction, I much prefer an upwind entry (aka "360 overhead") to get a good look at the runway/airport environment .

Eric

I doubt it was the case here, but Schellville is a small airport with a lot of airplanes with no radio. The CTAF is 122.9.

2.1 nm north is the slightly bigger and busier Sonoma Skypark airport. The CTAF is 122.8.

7.0 nm southwest is the slightly bigger and busier Gnoss Field. The CTAF is 123.075.

7.6 nm west is the even bigger and busier Petaluma airport. The CTAF is 122.7.

8.0 nm east is the much bigger and much busier Napa Airport. Tower is 118.7.

Given the right (or wrong, depending on your perspective) time a very lot can be going on in the area (there is also an aerobatic box) with a number of no radio airplanes.

Obviously no excuse for this accident. But Schellville can be a little strange at times.

Maybe the Einsteins in DC will propose separate airports for high wing and low wing aircraft.

That sounds like a Fed. solution.

TD

Maybe the Einsteins in DC will propose separate airports for high wing and low wing aircraft.

That sounds like a Fed. solution.

If that means putting a couple thousand feet of grass runway down for every cement slab currently in operation, I'm all for it.

That's the best idea I have heard in awhile

GroundLooper wrote:

RobBurson wrote:I understand the rivalry between trikes and tailwheels but this is getting out of hand. Can't we all just get along?

http://homepage.mac.com/captmic/napa/PhotoAlbum10.html

During nesting season, the trike (Piperous Cherokeeus), becomes very territorial. See how this trike swoops down to defend it's nest. The Tailwheel (Glastarus Bernardium), while sustaining some injury, is able to fly off... a little wiser for the experience.

http://californiaman500.com/planecrash.htm

Good one, Looper.

Those are some funny replies guys. This whole thing reminds me of a flight into a field in New Mexico. My Navy logbooks are on base and I'm not doing Reserves today so please forgive me for not remembering the field (I suffer from CRS...Can't Remember Shiatte). Anyways, the field was non-towered. Winds favored the westerly runway. My student and I did a practice localizer from the West in the King Air. We broke it off a mile out and entered the left downwind for the practice circle. There was no other traffic....until on downwind at the 180. This Cessna broadcasts that he is taking the runway for takeoff. By then we were past the 180. Sure enough, we broadcast that we were in the base turn, but he did not stop. He took the runway, announced his takeoff and set power. We sucked up the gear, and waved off at 200', flying down past him. He departed and made his calls, all very properly. Once he was airborne, someone from the FBO got on and asked him if he knew he had just pulled out in front of a King Air. He did not respond.

We departed and heard the Cessna check in with Center. What happened is that he was a student pilot on a cross country solo for training. He did not have his MIXER switch up to receive on the radio he was broadcasting on (CTAF). I called the flight school and talked to them later. Turns out that he DID NOT EVEN see us at all, not even when we overflew him offset to the left at 200' while he was just setting power to takeoff! I asked them not to take action against him other than a good tongue-lashing!

There are many possibilities of how this could happen so I'm not gonna conjecture up an opinion...other than what's been said: SEE and AVOID!