http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/multiple-d ... -1.2498186

I'd like to invent a frequency jammer tailored for these multirotors with FPV. Interrupt the control signal so that it goes into "return home" mode. Ideally you could do some hackery as well to just drop it out of the sky without needing a shotgun. No evidence, nothing for anyone to witness. Might have to eventually answer to the FCC.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1209/Downed-US-drone-How-Iran-caught-the-beast

I hear that there are openings in Iran for someone with those skills!

But not all drones have programmable safety systems. Asked whether EAA had sanctioned the use of a drone on the airfield on Sunday evening, Pelton expressed surprise. An Aviation Week writer had spotted a group of enthusiasts in the airplane campground at the southern end of Runway 09, flying a drone up to 300 ft.

“This sort of thing is a big part of the problem,” says Pelton. EAA should take on as part of its mission the advocacy to safeguard airspace and find ways to not allow drone operators to get themselves into trouble, he says.

Not good news when Aviation Week reports that some of our own may have been flying this at the end of Runway 09 during Oshkosh.

Zzz wrote:
I'd like to invent a frequency jammer tailored for these multirotors with FPV. Interrupt the control signal so that it goes into "return home" mode. Ideally you could do some hackery as well to just drop it out of the sky without needing a shotgun. No evidence, nothing for anyone to witness. Might have to eventually answer to the FCC.

I was telling my wife I'd like to do the same thing and sell them to the fire tankers.

Zane,

The AF has had guidance jamming capability since Vietnam. I'm not an electronic guy. Wouldn't RC stuff be easy to jam?

Jim

Here is AOPA's response to my query:

Thanks for contacting AOPA's Pilot Information Center. AOPA is very aware of the proposed rulemaking and the impact that it may have on the National Airspace System. We have made comments on the NPRM and were part of the Aviation Rulemaking Committee that made recommendations for the NPRM. There is a lot of good information on the AOPA website concerning UAVs and what is going on, here is one; http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/February/15/Proposed-rule-sets-limits-on-small-UAS . AOPA is not necessarily opposed to UAV integration into the National Airspace, just as long as General Aviation is not negatively impacted and it's done safely. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any other concerns or questions.

Safe Flying,

Paul Feldmeyer | Pilot Information Center
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association

And another useful way to utilize your new drone.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dro ... ?cid=sm_fb

Gump

From another site I hang out on, for aborists/tree guys who use cranes. The link's first vid shows a hugely spectacular crane accident, the second vid in the link shows some drone footage before the accident. For better or worse it's pretty amazing footage.http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/23450/

It has occurred to me that a camera equipped drone with a real time monitor in the crane cab, could be useful to me. Many picks I'm working blind, and it ties up another person to signal me, and they may or may not know proper crane signals. With the right drone, I could see what was going on real time. If nothing else it would be a good excuse to write off a drone as a biz expense, if I wanted one bad enough, which I don't I guess. They do make cameras that go on the tip of the boom and aim towards the hook, but a drone would be more fun

So, with one hand (both?) flying the drone, another 2 hands and one or both feet for the crane, another hand for the coffee cup....

courierguy wrote:From another site I hang out on, for aborists/tree guys who use cranes. The link's first vid shows a hugely spectacular crane accident, the second vid in the link shows some drone footage before the accident. For better or worse it's pretty amazing footage.http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/23450/

It has occurred to me that a camera equipped drone with a real time monitor in the crane cab, could be useful to me. Many picks I'm working blind, and it ties up another person to signal me, and they may or may not know proper crane signals. With the right drone, I could see what was going on real time. If nothing else it would be a good excuse to write off a drone as a biz expense, if I wanted one bad enough, which I don't I guess. They do make cameras that go on the tip of the boom and aim towards the hook, but a drone would be more fun

So, with one hand (both?) flying the drone, another 2 hands and one or both feet for the crane, another hand for the coffee cup....

The one I just got you fly it to where you want it point the camera where you want if and then just watch to screen, it stays right there hands off!! Quite the rig!!

Zzz wrote:http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/multiple-drones-force-wildfire-crews-to-halt-air-operations-near-kelowna-b-c-1.2498186

I'd like to invent a frequency jammer tailored for these multirotors with FPV. Interrupt the control signal so that it goes into "return home" mode. Ideally you could do some hackery as well to just drop it out of the sky without needing a shotgun. No evidence, nothing for anyone to witness. Might have to eventually answer to the FCC.

I've flown R/C models for over 50 years-this "Drone thing" is a rather recent problem. The radios for control are on 2.4 Gig hertz -yea just like your cell phone. The Video is 5.2 Gigs. signal one way to the ground . They all want the pictures to sell or looking over the next wall. Jam there video signal and they be flying blind and can't see. To fly one of these without seeing is tough enough without the gyro's that do the autopilot - I believe that when they take the video out of the picture they will drop like flies.

Zenithguy wrote:

But not all drones have programmable safety systems. Asked whether EAA had sanctioned the use of a drone on the airfield on Sunday evening, Pelton expressed surprise. An Aviation Week writer had spotted a group of enthusiasts in the airplane campground at the southern end of Runway 09, flying a drone up to 300 ft.
“This sort of thing is a big part of the problem,” says Pelton. EAA should take on as part of its mission the advocacy to safeguard airspace and find ways to not allow drone operators to get themselves into trouble, he says.

Not good news when Aviation Week reports that some of our own may have been flying this at the end of Runway 09 during Oshkosh.

I've seen videos people have posted on this site, showing drones flying in the immediate vicinity of aircraft taking off and landing. It's OK for us, but not for non-aviators? I don't buy that. I don't like the idea of drones operating close to piloted aircraft, no matter who's operating them.

Oregon180 wrote:.....I just got back from Sweden, where some Yahoos flew drones in the approach to one of the major airports, causing a shutdown. After that incident, quads are illegal to fly anywhere in Sweden but at recognized model airplane fields. The quad industry and the FAA needs to figure this out, before something serious happens. It's super cool technology, but most of the users of that technology are pretty much clueless about aviation.

Maybe this is the solution, if the owners of this new generation of drones can't operate them safely.
Time will tell...

OK, So I am a licensed pilot, I have my drone registered with the FAA, has a N#, I have my 303 exemption, I have it registered for my for profit business.
Is there a problem with this?
Now I read in the AOPA EFlyer about this kid and his buddies taking to the skies and contracting out his services??
I sent a little note to AOPA wondering why they would condone this and put it in there Missive, as yet no response??
OH WELL! Sigh?

hotrod180 wrote:

Oregon180 wrote:.....I just got back from Sweden, where some Yahoos flew drones in the approach to one of the major airports, causing a shutdown. After that incident, quads are illegal to fly anywhere in Sweden but at recognized model airplane fields. The quad industry and the FAA needs to figure this out, before something serious happens. It's super cool technology, but most of the users of that technology are pretty much clueless about aviation.

Maybe this is the solution, if the owners of this new generation of drones can't operate them safely.
Time will tell...

Just to be clear, I don't want that to happen here. The problem is that ready-to-fly quads with FPV systems have simultaneously lowered the bar and weakened the age-old "line of sight" rule that the FAA and AMA created and that model airplane folks have always adhered to.

I'd like to see the drone/multirotor/FPV industry take some responsibility and voluntarily set up their products with a hard limit of 400 ft altitude and a radius from the takeoff point that is small enough to allow line-of-sight collision avoidance. The technology is there clearly, since they can return to home and auto-land. It seems like it would be pretty simple to just add in the limits. Will some people hack it? Sure. But if they do, I think there should be stiff enough penalties to discourage others.

Oregon180 wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:

Oregon180 wrote:.....I just got back from Sweden, where some Yahoos flew drones in the approach to one of the major airports, causing a shutdown. After that incident, quads are illegal to fly anywhere in Sweden but at recognized model airplane fields. The quad industry and the FAA needs to figure this out, before something serious happens. It's super cool technology, but most of the users of that technology are pretty much clueless about aviation.

Maybe this is the solution, if the owners of this new generation of drones can't operate them safely.
Time will tell...

Just to be clear, I don't want that to happen here. The problem is that ready-to-fly quads with FPV systems have simultaneously lowered the bar and weakened the age-old "line of sight" rule that the FAA and AMA created and that model airplane folks have always adhered to.

I'd like to see the drone/multirotor/FPV industry take some responsibility and voluntarily set up their products with a hard limit of 400 ft altitude and a radius from the takeoff point that is small enough to allow line-of-sight collision avoidance. The technology is there clearly, since they can return to home and auto-land. It seems like it would be pretty simple to just add in the limits. Will some people hack it? Sure. But if they do, I think there should be stiff enough penalties to discourage others.

What do you mean ?? The one I just got has a 1.2 mile range!! Of course I can see this little 12" in diameter white in color a mile away!! RIGHT!! , 35 mph, and 1000 fpm climb!!

Oregon180 wrote:I'd like to see the drone/multirotor/FPV industry take some responsibility and voluntarily set up their products with a hard limit of 400 ft altitude and a radius from the takeoff point that is small enough to allow line-of-sight collision avoidance. The technology is there clearly, since they can return to home and auto-land. It seems like it would be pretty simple to just add in the limits. Will some people hack it? Sure. But if they do, I think there should be stiff enough penalties to discourage others.

Phantom 3 (the one I have personal experience with) has this out of the box.

You don't have to "hack" it to change it, but changing it does bring up a warning. I think this is a fine compromise.

hotrod180 wrote:I've seen videos people have posted on this site, showing drones flying in the immediate vicinity of aircraft taking off and landing. It's OK for us, but not for non-aviators? I don't buy that. I don't like the idea of drones operating close to piloted aircraft, no matter who's operating them.

IMO the problem isn't drones and piloted aircraft being in the same space. It's drones operating in the same space as piloted aircraft without coordination with the piloted aircraft.

I have *zero* problem with people flying drones (and taking some pretty spectacular video) in coordination with piloted aircraft.

So in your case, you would never allow it. Which is fine.

In my case, I would allow it with several of the drone pilots I know. Which is also, IMO, fine.

I like flying formation and I view this as the same thing. It is absolutely wrong to form up on another plane without the permission of the other pilot. It is absolutely fine to work with your buddies to do a formation flight with everyone agreeing to be a participant.

rw2 wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:I've seen videos people have posted on this site, showing drones flying in the immediate vicinity of aircraft taking off and landing. It's OK for us, but not for non-aviators? I don't buy that. I don't like the idea of drones operating close to piloted aircraft, no matter who's operating them.

IMO the problem isn't drones and piloted aircraft being in the same space. It's drones operating in the same space as piloted aircraft without coordination with the piloted aircraft.

I have *zero* problem with people flying drones (and taking some pretty spectacular video) in coordination with piloted aircraft.

So in your case, you would never allow it. Which is fine.

In my case, I would allow it with several of the drone pilots I know. Which is also, IMO, fine.

I like flying formation and I view this as the same thing. It is absolutely wrong to form up on another plane without the permission of the other pilot. It is absolutely fine to work with your buddies to do a formation flight with everyone agreeing to be a participant.

Full agreement. Prior coordination in small groups works just fine. It's an amazing platform for capturing video footage of us doing what we do.

At a big fly-in? Probably not. It's too hard to get everyone on board. But in small groups it can be safe.

This looks like it could a great sport, needs bigger test line, however. Just happened down the coast.

I wonder how sporting a paintball gun would be for the one that was buzzing up and down my street this weekend…………. can you freeze the paint balls?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzU-MMBGIM

Zenithguy wrote:This looks like it could a great sport, needs bigger test line, however. Just happened down the coast.

I wonder how sporting a paintball gun would be for the one that was buzzing up and down my street this weekend…………. can you freeze the paint balls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzU-MMBGIM

Awesome! Too bad the fisherman didn't have stronger line so he could reel it in and filet it!