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Trade Your Airplane for a Moose?

Here in Alaska we do a lot of things with airplanes. When I came to the state almost 40 years ago, the airplane was used extensively in hunting to put food on the plate. Winter time was especially a good time to use the plane to get moose and Caribou as you could land in the deep snow with your Cub and if done right, taxi and maneuver your plane so that the critter was virtually under your wing for butchering. Often pilots would herd moose to suitable open spaces for shooting and landing. Caribou area a bit more flighty for herding from the air. While this was hardly "fair chase," it did fulfill the objective of filling the larder for the winter.

Alaska game laws have since been written that restrict the use of airplanes while hunting. For instance it is no longer legal to herd animals nor can you land and hunt on the same day. The State of Alaska is probably harsher on game violates than it is on common criminals. Nevertheless, some people just don't get it. Following is an article from the Fairbanks News Miner about a father and son that forfeited their airplane, paid a $5,000 fine and did some jail time for herding a moose to the kill:

http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_stor ... -Fairbanks
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Yup... Let's go to jail for a moose. Or a caribou, or a load of booze. Real smart.

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Have a friend in Nevada that was turned in for Molesting (chasing with a plane) wild horses. Cost him a few bucks but not his plane.

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I'm glad they never confiscated my Dad's snowplane in the 80's. I remember the night he came home with a busted hand after an attempted drive by moose shooting with a black powder pistol, moose feet are fast. Things were different then, moose were everywhere.
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The limits some will go to during the rut... amazing!

After seeing "bull idiocy" up close and personal with some associates, I decided to quit hunting.
It was for the best; I'm too hyper for such a skill oriented hobby anyway.
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"I hope this sends a message to hunters..." yes, it sends the message that you shouldn't use a cell phone, should turn off the GPS while herding from the air, should always have a story ready and you shouldn't return to a populated area directly when you are hunting illegally. I bet in Alaska there are 100 illegal hunts for every arrest of this type.
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In Ontario its illegal to "spot" game from an airplane. Also, one of the definitions of hunting includes "worrying" game.

I don't see nearly as many moose any more and I'm getting worried.
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littlewheelinback wrote:I bet in Alaska there are 100 illegal hunts for every arrest of this type.


Most don't involve an airplane, but WAY more than 100 illegal hunts go on in Alaska each winter when food supplies get down to the wire. Out here in the bush I know people that do what must be done to keep meat in the freezer, regardless of game laws. These are Yupik/Athabascan natives (not the caucasians that claim native Alaskan status because they were born and raised here, usually in the city) who only a few generations ago they did what they had to, when they had to, without any regulations. I wouldn't report that at all. I don't endorse it either, and I am a Yupik Eskimo.

My busiest flying season goes from August to the 1st of October, during which time I'm constantly hauling camouflaged tourists out to get their trophies, watching them ship their antlers home, and giving away often questionable meat that's been hanging for a week or more to the locals. I pony up and pay for beef (like I have been for the last 6 years straight) when I don't see ONE legal bull moose during the one or two days off I get in September. My survival doesn't depend on it, it's the luck of the draw, better luck next year. Fine by me, but I also don't have a family to feed.

Seeing an airplane being used in this manner fries my @ss. If you're affording the airplane to do something like this, you can probably go without moose for a year if you can't hunt it like any law-abiding citizen...just my opinion.
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born2flyak wrote:These are Yupik/Athabascan natives (not the caucasians that claim native Alaskan status because they were born and raised here, usually in the city) who only a few generations ago they did what they had to, when they had to, without any regulations. I wouldn't report that at all. I don't endorse it either, and I am a Yupik Eskimo.
Seeing an airplane being used in this manner fries my @ss. If you're affording the airplane to do something like this, you can probably go without moose for a year if you can't hunt it like any law-abiding citizen...just my opinion.
=D> I'll never forget the line delivered to me by a friend of mine from Ruby, (born there, raised there, genuine Athabascan), when I was explaining to him just how "Native" I was because of some tenuous association with Ute and Cherokee folks out here in the lower 48. He said "Emory, I know I got some white blood in me, but I just can't prove it!". That changed my perspective. I married into a family that has, as it's patriarch, a man named Holger "Jorgy" Jorgenson. You probably know him, or have at least heard of him. I learned much on this topic from him as well. I am simply not equipped to understand this sort of theft. That's what it is. The theft of a resource held in common with your friends and neighbors. Moose are not the brightest of animals and can be easily taken advantage of by rapacious humans with laser rangefinders, airplanes, river boats, and jobs come Monday morning. They don't need me beating up on them that's for sure, though I dearly love fresh moose liver. And, don't get me started on Halibut "derbies". "Hey let's go kill all the breeding stock dudes!" Thanks for your post.
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My apologies for the thread creep.

Emory Bored wrote: I married into a family that has, as it's patriarch, a man named Holger "Jorgy" Jorgenson.
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Very cool. The man is a legend.
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Emory Bored wrote:
born2flyak wrote:These are Yupik/Athabascan natives (not the caucasians that claim native Alaskan status because they were born and raised here, usually in the city) who only a few generations ago they did what they had to, when they had to, without any regulations. I wouldn't report that at all. I don't endorse it either, and I am a Yupik Eskimo.
Seeing an airplane being used in this manner fries my @ss. If you're affording the airplane to do something like this, you can probably go without moose for a year if you can't hunt it like any law-abiding citizen...just my opinion.
=D> I'll never forget the line delivered to me by a friend of mine from Ruby, (born there, raised there, genuine Athabascan), when I was explaining to him just how "Native" I was because of some tenuous association with Ute and Cherokee folks out here in the lower 48. He said "Emory, I know I got some white blood in me, but I just can't prove it!". That changed my perspective. I married into a family that has, as it's patriarch, a man named Holger "Jorgy" Jorgenson. You probably know him, or have at least heard of him. I learned much on this topic from him as well. I am simply not equipped to understand this sort of theft. That's what it is. The theft of a resource held in common with your friends and neighbors. Moose are not the brightest of animals and can be easily taken advantage of by rapacious humans with laser rangefinders, airplanes, river boats, and jobs come Monday morning. They don't need me beating up on them that's for sure, though I dearly love fresh moose liver. And, don't get me started on Halibut "derbies". "Hey let's go kill all the breeding stock dudes!" Thanks for your post.

Be carful eating too much moose liver and kidneys especially if you are a smoker. Cadmium levels can get too high.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15736645
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Emory Bored wrote:
born2flyak wrote: =D> I'll never forget the line delivered to me by a friend of mine from Ruby, (born there, raised there, genuine Athabascan), when I was explaining to him just how "Native" I was because of some tenuous association with Ute and Cherokee folks out here in the lower 48. He said "Emory, I know I got some white blood in me, but I just can't prove it!". That changed my perspective. I married into a family that has, as it's patriarch, a man named Holger "Jorgy" Jorgenson. You probably know him, or have at least heard of him. I learned much on this topic from him as well. I am simply not equipped to understand this sort of theft. That's what it is. The theft of a resource held in common with your friends and neighbors. Moose are not the brightest of animals and can be easily taken advantage of by rapacious humans with laser rangefinders, airplanes, river boats, and jobs come Monday morning. They don't need me beating up on them that's for sure, though I dearly love fresh moose liver. And, don't get me started on Halibut "derbies". "Hey let's go kill all the breeding stock dudes!" Thanks for your post.

Be carful eating too much moose liver and kidneys especially if you are a smoker. Cadmium levels can get too high.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15736645
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Let's file this under "The Lonely Lives of Scientists"; "For a non-smoking 70 kg adult, allowable monthly intakes are: 52 kg of moose muscle, or 137 g of kidney, or 516 g of liver. Allowable intakes varied by age and in proportion to body weight. Cigarette smokers (one to 1.5 packs per day) reach the limit even if they consume no moose at all."
What we have here is a study that purports to show that eating more than 114 pounds of Moose a month, a third of a pound of moose kidneys (I haven't had that much in my whole wide life!) and a little over a pound of liver will kill you. If you smoke though it says the moose meat is going to kill you whether you eat moose meat or not. But it doesn't say WHEN....... [-X

A little over 3 1/2 pounds of moose meat a day would almost certainly make you sick of moose meat if nothing else. :D
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