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Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8216948/South-Pole-flight-lost

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Probably the only place more than Alaska where you don't want to go down.
Sounds like the weather is worsening and National Guard C130 was unable to spot the Otter in the mountainous area the ELT is transmitting. Hope those Canadians have somewhere warm to hide inside the fuselage.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Hoping this one turns out well and these guys are back home sipping steinlager ASAP.
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Or Tui. But yeah, hoping for a good outcome...
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Suppose you couldn't be in a better plane to have to hunker down in
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pittspilot28 wrote:Suppose you couldn't be in a better plane to have to hunker down in


Yeah, and you'd have to think that they have polar survival gear. I hope the skis and the snow were kind to them.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

I feel for the guys. I worked with Borek pilots and planes when I was with NOAA. Great operation. I can't help but think they had a ferry tank onboard. They where making a long haul and the Twin Otter is not one with long legs, even with Tip Tanks. We carried a large amount of survival gear in our Twin Otter, Two tents, six sleeping bags (arctic weight), two weeks of food for six, canned water, stoves, fuel, three rifles, portable radios and hand held EPIRBS, flares, fishing poles and so on. Took all day to inventory the stuff. The plane has loads of room and loads of effective load (ergo the kinda short range). They are tough birds and you can put them down almost anywhere with ridiculously low landing speeds, especially if you have wind (something hard to avoid in the Antarctic).

The weather sucks on the south pole, or anywhere near it. Getting good search weather and a wind factor you can put a help down in can result in days of waiting. There are several dry valleys along their route. These can be better, as the glaciated areas have large ice falls with mondo crevasses. A big plus, you can actually see things on the ground in them.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Did Borek not just loose a DC 3 there in dec 2012
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Interesting having fishing poles in the survival gear, I don't think there are many fish in Vanda or the other lakes in the Dry Valleys, even through 1 or 2 M of ice.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

One thing I'd like to know - for a part 135 commercial op - why no 407MHz beacon? In this day and age - they should know exact GPS coords once a becon is activated - unless they are flying with only 121.5 ELT.
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May not be a requirement in Canada...ill see if I can find that
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406 has been a requirement in Canada if you fly oceanic for over a decade now. Also a requirement for turbine powered aircraft there as well. Unless they have the coupled GPS, exact positioning very far north or south is not very reliable due to an inclination of the orbits. However after multiple passes, which get greater overlap in the polar regions, it should get refined positioning after a few passes. Nearby mountains can mask signal to the satellites. When I was in Borneo, I could only get 3 minutes max on the Iridium phone from blockage due to the steep mountains there.

BTW, we had fishing poles on the NOAA planes because we operated the Otters in the Arctic, where we had fish to catch in the rivers and streams. I think they where onboard more to amuse us while we waited for the glamorous biologists to collect sea otter & seal poop for examination (they actually paid the local native population to collect it! A shitty job, but somebody had to do it). Survival was more of an excuse to purchase them.

They hope to have weather to gain improved SAR conditions in about 18 hours.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Almost remiss me of "Fate is the Hunter" during the rescue mission in Canada of a crew from the C-87. I'm anxious to hear when they rescue them.
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News does not look any better:

"Fears Plane Has Hit Mountain"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8222029/Fears-missing-plane-has-hit-Antarctic-mountain

It seems the remotely monitored GPS track shows the plane losing altitude, then starting to climb back up but coming instantaneously to 0 airspeed at 4,000m ASL.
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Battson wrote:coming instantaneously to 0 airspeed at 4,000m ASL.


That's not the news that anyone wanted to hear. Thoughts with the families right now.
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The 140 knots to 0 is just the two consecutive readings on the Skytrac satellite following system used by Ken Borek. Normally they run about 2 minutes between data bursts, but can be adjusted up or down to as frequent as 30 seconds, so it could have been a controlled deceleration. Still an unintentional landing though. 13,000' will make rescue and survival difficult. I see they are setting up a rescue base camp on Beardmore glacier, about 50 km from the crash site. Twin Otter on skis has landed there and is setting up, Herc on skis will land there shortly as well as a DC-3. Who knew a DC-3 could even do that, never seen one on skis before. Helicopters will join them, probably the AS350B3 from Southern Lakes, NZ, that shouldn't have too much trouble with that altitude.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Latest reports are not looking good- thoughts go out to the families and loved ones so far away.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/8226150/Wreckage-of-lost-plane-found
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Nuts. I wonder if they were running Spider Tracks to obtain that in-flight data.
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Sad news indeed. It's playing out horribly similar to accidents out here in the mountains of Papua :(
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Re: Twin Otter crash on-route to South Pole

Hate to see that. Thoughts go out to Friends and family/

pittspilot28 wrote:Almost remiss me of "Fate is the Hunter" during the rescue mission in Canada of a crew from the C-87. I'm anxious to hear when they rescue them.


That rescue mission in FITH was expanded into its own movie. Starred John Wayne and was called "Islands in the Sky".
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