A1Skinner wrote:

albravo wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:You have a 796 to as well right? You can make up checklists and using a SD card you can put them on your GPS. then you can just pull them up on there ad check them off.

That right there is why I love this site. Thanks David, that is exactly what I'll do.

We took delivery a week ago. I'm trying to squeeze out the last few hours of my PPL so I've been watching my wife's check out and spending a little time in the back seat watching. It is pretty awesome. I'm really pleased with the way it turned out.

Glad to help Allan. They work good for when I actually use them. I basically just copied the checklists out of the POH and it seperated them nicely. Here's a couple pictures showing a couple of the screens. I should make another one for emergencies.



Also glad to hear you are getting some time in the plane![/quoteI

Not to be critical, because I see this with most pilots.....and this is one of the problems with checklists. Do you actually USE that engine starting checklist when starting the engine in a 180? How about the item in the takeoff checklist to maintain a tail low attitude as you accelerate......are you actually reading that item as you're accelerating down the runway?

If not, to me, those kinds of things should be covered in training, and "built in" as part of our actions, NOT as a checklist item.

As I noted, I see checklists all the time cluttered up with stuff the pilot never looks at or uses, often because that's the stuff the manufacturer put in THEIR checklist, which could also be called a "liability protection device".

If you're flying under Part 91, you can do whatever you like with checklists, and I try to weed out the stuff like this for my checklists. This simplifies the checklist, and helps to make it a more practical tool.

It's your checklist, so put whatever you want and use into it, but if you really need and use a checklist to start a 180, I'd suggest you might want to get a little more dual......

As to installing a "fake" gear selector, I really think it's a bad idea. Why? Because in the context of an airplane with fixed gear, everyone knows that gear selector is a joke.....and pretty soon, those lines can get blurred.

If you're flying a retractable, install some mirrors, LOOK at the gear to verify position, develop a very specific protocol around the airport, and maintain a "sterile cockpit within a couple miles of the airport or LZ.

Preventing a gear up landing (or landing gear down in the water with an amphib) is all about discipline. Maintaining a little bit of paranoia about the gear helps as well. We all have the capability to get ourselves in a position to land with the gear in the wrong position. Discipline is what prevents it.

MTV

mtv wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

albravo wrote:[quote="A1Skinner"]
You have a 796 to as well right? You can make up checklists and using a SD card you can put them on your GPS. then you can just pull them up on there ad check them off.

That right there is why I love this site. Thanks David, that is exactly what I'll do.

We took delivery a week ago. I'm trying to squeeze out the last few hours of my PPL so I've been watching my wife's check out and spending a little time in the back seat watching. It is pretty awesome. I'm really pleased with the way it turned out.

Glad to help Allan. They work good for when I actually use them. I basically just copied the checklists out of the POH and it seperated them nicely. Here's a couple pictures showing a couple of the screens. I should make another one for emergencies.



Also glad to hear you are getting some time in the plane![/quoteI

Not to be critical, because I see this with most pilots.....and this is one of the problems with checklists. Do you actually USE that engine starting checklist when starting the engine in a 180? How about the item in the takeoff checklist to maintain a tail low attitude as you accelerate......are you actually reading that item as you're accelerating down the runway?

If not, to me, those kinds of things should be covered in training, and "built in" as part of our actions, NOT as a checklist item.

As I noted, I see checklists all the time cluttered up with stuff the pilot never looks at or uses, often because that's the stuff the manufacturer put in THEIR checklist, which could also be called a "liability protection device".

If you're flying under Part 91, you can do whatever you like with checklists, and I try to weed out the stuff like this for my checklists. This simplifies the checklist, and helps to make it a more practical tool.

It's your checklist, so put whatever you want and use into it, but if you really need and use a checklist to start a 180, I'd suggest you might want to get a little more dual......

As to installing a "fake" gear selector, I really think it's a bad idea. Why? Because in the context of an airplane with fixed gear, everyone knows that gear selector is a joke.....and pretty soon, those lines can get blurred.

If you're flying a retractable, install some mirrors, LOOK at the gear to verify position, develop a very specific protocol around the airport, and maintain a "sterile cockpit within a couple miles of the airport or LZ.

Preventing a gear up landing (or landing gear down in the water with an amphib) is all about discipline. Maintaining a little bit of paranoia about the gear helps as well. We all have the capability to get ourselves in a position to land with the gear in the wrong position. Discipline is what prevents it.

MTV[/quote]
I agree Mike. I don't use any checklists. I also don't look at tue airspeed to tell me when to fly, my butt tells me that. I just have this in case someone asks or I end up flying with someone like an instructor that wants to see me use a checklist.

MTV[/quote]
I agree Mike. I don't use any checklists. I also don't look at tue airspeed to tell me when to fly, my butt tells me that. I just have this in case someone asks or I end up flying with someone like an instructor that wants to see me use a checklist.[/quote]

But that's my point: trim a checklist to the really essential items, and it becomes a useful tool. If an instructor wants you to use an engine start checklist, fire him or her.

MTV

Takeoff checklist: "Full power".
IMHO this is the kind of thing that clutters up a checklist.

Checklists I have made for myself in the past generally just listed items: "trim", "flaps", or whatever--
I knew what to do with them, I just needed a reminder to do so.
Climb speeds, Vx = 60, Vy = 90 is enough information IMHO -- don't need the narrative also.

mtv wrote:MTV

But that's my point: trim a checklist to the really essential items, and it becomes a useful tool. If an instructor wants you to use an engine start checklist, fire him or her.

MTV

I'm curious what you see as a useful checklist? The only checklist that I figure would be useful in most of the simple planes we fly is an emergency checklist... trimming a pre takeoff checklist still won't make you use it. If you know the procedure you know it and use it on every flight, without looking at a piece of paper.

For simple aircraft I agree. And with the kind of flying we did, emergency procedure was land and sort it out. To use a checklist safely would have required climbing and we avoided that.