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Utah Fly-in

Well, we're gonna try it again. Tucsonwis just called me and wants to do a Utah Fly-in. We are tentatively planning the weekend of Oct. 5-7 at Happy Canyon. Pretty good strip, cross runways, good approaches, lots of great beautiful scenery and nearby strips to play on. Anyone interested can contact me or the "Wis". Hopefully a good time of year to go. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Gary
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Gary............

Dianne & I are looking forward to joining in on the Back Country fun at Happy Creek on October 5-7.

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Last June I stoped at Canyonlands apt on the way to a five day house boat trip at Powel. Met up with a really neat fellow, Lavar Wells. We flew arround a bit and we went in to Happy Canyon. If you wreck a plane in there, it would be a while before they found you.

Really neat place, I have about 700 hrs in out 182B and yes I learned about density altitude all over again. Anybody have an oportunity to fly with Lavar, you better take it.

That is the weekend that I was thinking of going to Baja. Think from
Weed, I can get to Baja just about as fast as to Happy Valley. Well maybe not.

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Lavar Wells

That was a good thought about Lavar. He probably knows that country better that any other pilot alive. He is Chief Pilot for Redtail Aviation. If anyone wanted to fly that country with someone before they went in there on their own he would be "The Man". His phone # is 1.800.842.9251. I will see if I can get him to come down for a night. He likes to play a guitar and sing. Gary
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Gary:

Good suggestion. Would Mineral be a bit better place to meet? I enjoy camping there more. It is still real central to gas and other strips.

Let me know when you are planning to leave and maybe we can arrange a formation flight there.

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I think that my arm could be twisted. I'll monitor this site and keep that weekend free. As for where, I'm indifferent. How is Mineral Canyon? Earlier this spring it was really soft.

On a side note, wasn't the Fly Utah book supposed to ship any day now? Has anyone heard anything?

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Hi Larry Mineral is nice. I think UBCP does a flyin there every year. Anybody wanting to go there can check with them. I was trying to do something a little different and maybe show some something they haven't seem before. Thanks Gary
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Planning beyond dinner tonight is probably a little over my head :shock: but it sounds like it could be a winner!
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We can only hope. Should be great, as long as the weather co-operates. Seems like thay's always the hitch. It is the desert, it is supposed to be dry. Gary
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I would also suggest anyone interested in participating in this fly-in, or just flying this area in general, buy the book"Fly Utah" and the map from Galen Hanselman, author of "Fly Idaho" and other great flying books. Gary
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Last I heard Mineral Canyon was quite soft. Soft enough that a professional back country pilot who had been there many times got stuck.

I recommend extreme caution when thinking about using the crosswind airstrip at Happy Canyon. It is rougher and shorter than the main airstrip but more importantly are the effects of the winds when you would be most tempted to use it. When the winds are out of the south which would seem like the perfect opportunity to land on the crosswind airstrip there can also be terrific down drafts. I talked to one very experienced back country pilot who attempted to land on the crosswind airstrip in a very lightly loaded capable airplane. He had landed at Happy Canyon many times before but never on the crosswind strip. He said the down drafts near the approach end of the strip as he flew towards the cliffs were so strong that he thought he would be hitting the ground at full power while trying to go around. The airstrip is surrounded by 1,000 foot cliffs so strong winds can create some pretty strong down drafts.

Personally, if there was much wind from any direction I'd just go somewhere else. I've seen someone almost die in a crash there. It is a beautiful place but not worth the risk of landing in less than ideal conditions. The airstrip has been there for many years and will likely be there when you come back in better conditions.
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I just saw something about Mineral Canyon in todays news:

Drug agents on Monday seized about 100 marijuana plants, worth up to $50,000 when harvested. The plants were discovered last May when rescuers stumbled across them while responding to a plane crash in the Colorado River near Mineral Bottom, according to Grand County sheriff's deputies. Chesterfield, Mo., pilot Michael LaMar, 46, was not injured in that crash. Deputies said no one has been arrested in the marijuana case.


From an earlier news story:

46-year old Michael LaMar landed his plane on the Mineral Bottom airstrip and noticed the airstrip had sand in the middle so he took off again. The Chesterfield, Mo., resident then clipped some trees on his way back up.

The plane then tumbled back down and landed in the Green River.

LaMar's plane was partially submerged in the water and volunteers in canoes paddled out to him and rescued him.
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Sounds great

Well, I certainly plan on flying there. Sounds like a good time. If you arrive early i don't think winds should be a problem. Hopefully someone else in a Maule will show up, even though i have really enjoyed watched the c-180 lately. Can we build a camp fire there? If so i'll bring the wood. Peter
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I am posting the following note from Steve Durtschi, the founder and President of Utah Back Country Pilots, at his request.

Dear Back Country.org,

I have watched the thread organizing a fall fly-in at Happy Canyon, Utah. UBCP (Utah Back Country Pilots Assoc.) encourages back country flying, and Happy Canyon is open un-restricted, but please allow me to pass on some cautions to consider about the landing strip.

Happy Canyon is a one way landing strip and is only 1400 feet long. The touch down threshold must be positively identified. The original bladed area below the threshold is extremely rocky with large boulders on the non-usable portion of the runway. The threshold was marked with traffic cones, but these are now faded and may be difficult to see from the air. The cross wind strip is very short and we consider it not usable. It has received no maintenance and is extremely soft. It also has scattered sage brush along its full length.

There is no real parking area. Except for a small area in front of the old miners shack, both sides of the runway are soft and difficult to maneuver and park. Expect nearly full power required to get in and out.

Due to the nature of the sharp cliffs in the immediate area, a slight wind can create considerable mechanical turbulence. If there is much wind, expect wind shear near the ground. The breeze usually blows down the canyon in the afternoon and departures typically have tail winds.

I do not want to dictate where you want to have a fly in, but my personal opinion is that Happy Canyon might not be the best place. I believe the landing strip has some unique hazards and is not suited to a wide cross section of airplanes. It certainly demands previous back country experience to access safely. Parking any more than a few airplanes will be very dusty. One last caution; the miners shack contains considerable rodent debris. The area of the shack has not been tested for Hanta Virus but the virus is known to exist in this area of Utah, so avoid stirring any dust in the interior of the shack.

Unfortunately, Mineral Canyon was "altered" by Mother Nature last year during the severe flooding that swept through the river bottom. The landing strip is still useable, but the first third or so of both ends of the runway are now covered with very soft sand, making taxiing very difficult. The local air taxi operator got stuck there earlier this spring.

You might consider Fry Canyon as a destination. There is more room to park and camp. There is a lodge a mile or so down the road, but I'm not sure if it is open. In western Utah, Ibex Dry Lake is also a great fly-in location - no problem parking there! Bring your own fire wood. Marble Canyon below Glen Canyon Dam is also a great location, but not terribly remote.

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Thanks for posting that Rob.

Steve, I invite you to join the discussion directly. Your input is invaluable in threads like this.

I also urge anyone seriously considering flying into Utah airstrips to check the resources on utahbackcountrypilots.org, as their information concerning that area of the country is much more comprehensive.

Please do your homework on places like this, everybody. We've already lost a few good friends this year.
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Sorry, folks, I have been incommunicado for a week or so and missed out on this thread until now!

I agree wholeheartedly with Steve's input. Happy Canyon is a great spot, but I am not sure it can support more than 5 or 6 airplanes at a time; and that is a stretch. We had about 6 there a few years ago during a clean-up effort and it was really tight. All the fellows at that cleanup were experienced with Happy Canyon, and we were there in March.

Happy Canyon is also not a place to be caught with get-home-itis after 10 am or so until well into the fall months... and even then it might surprise you. Steve mentioned the winds and mechanical turbulence... that along with density altitude could be trouble.

Another alternative might be Cliff Dweller's Lodge, about 10 miles downstream from Marble Canyon. It is a dirt strip with lodging and camping facilities as well. The lodge owns the strip, so I would probably check with them for approval/availablity first. You can hike down Soap Creek (about 1/2 day hike at a slow pace) to a beautiful sand beach for the best trout fishing in AZ.

From Fry Canyon, Marble Canyon or Cliff Dwellers, you could fly out to the cool Utah spots in the early mornings and be back in the shade, beer in hand, and done for the day by 11am. Did I say 11am? Oops. WWJBD? It's 5 o'clock somewhere!

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Utah Fly-in plans are cancelled

I guess I screwed up again. I am cancelling any plans to go to Happy Canyon Oct. 5-7.

Happy flying to all and be safe.

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Re: Utah Fly-in plans are cancelled

shortfielder wrote:I guess I screwed up again. I am cancelling any plans to go to Happy Canyon Oct. 5-7.
Gary


I do not call this a screw up. If 20 planes showed up at Happy Canyon, that would be a screw up. Planning this sort of thing months in advance is a good thing cus it can be discussed on the forum.

I think that planning a trip in that area is still a good idea but a different site would be in order. Fry Canyon, from what I have been studying, would be great. This field would be able to include a larger cross section of planes. So don't give up shortfielder. I still may be in BAJA that weekend.


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Hi Tim Thanks fot the encouragement. We will still fly and camp and play that weekend, so you are more than welcome to join us. We just won't call it a fly-in and will determine a location sometime the week before based on weather and interest. Gary
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Gary, your efforts are certainly not a screw-up! If I am not engrossed in our house-building project (although I have this itchy feeling that we will be) I will come down too, regardless of WHERE the fly-in is. I just don't have the ability to commit right now.

As for Happy Canyon in October: Weather conditions are always a huge variable there - but generally, if the winds are light and it hasn't been raining like crazy, Happy Canyon would be a great fly-out spot. HC and Hidden Splendor are my two favorites. I just like to be outta there by 10 or 11am - even at that time of year - if not because of the heat, then because of the winds.

I agree, I think Fry Canyon could probably support the largest number of airplanes... maybe right up there with Marble Canyon. Except Marble Canyon really isn't "back country"... It is one of my favorite paved strips though!

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