Found this on Barnstormers...what do ya'll think?

http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=listing&main=

Looks like a great airplane. New paint, polish, interior. Only 50 hours SMOH on engine and prop (470L). Fresh annual. Asking $47k.

Talked to the guy this morning. Had a prop strike which also damaged the wing. Both have been repaired and signed off on.

Plane is based out of Newport Oregon and is flown regularly.

Being new to airplane buying, how big a deal is the prop strike and wing damage if it has been properly repaired and logged?

My only source of information on this plane is from the ad and talking to the owner, obviously I will have a pre-buy done to inspect everything.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

JB

Link: http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_ ... +1961.html

Nice plane.
Engine is super clean.

Well with 50 hrs smoh and that price I would want an engine that had new cylinders. I see it has orange paint on the cylinders witch means they are overhauled chrome. New cylinders have a chance to make it to tbo but overhauled ones rarely do. Chrome is hard to break In and can consume oil.

PAMR MX wrote:Well with 50 hrs smoh and that price I would want an engine that had new cylinders. I see it has orange paint on the cylinders witch means they are overhauled chrome. New cylinders have a chance to make it to tbo but overhauled ones rarely do. Chrome is hard to break In and can consume oil.

so the orange paint means cylinders were overhauled chrome? rather than replaced new?

what is the consequence of this? I assume the engine TBO to be around 1500? how far would I expect the overhauled cylinders to go? what would be a rough cost of replacing them?

Thx for the info PAMR MX. I know you are neck deep in your 182 project. I have been following that closely.

What did he hit to have a prop and wing strike?

he said that he was landing on a grass strip and hot a soft spot, dug the front tire in, and hit the prop. Somehow in the process, the wing also hit the ground. both are apparently repaired and signed off on.

again...not verified through inspection yet. just going on what the owner told me.

Sounds fishy. In order for the wing tip to hit either a main would of had to dig in as well or it would have tipped to the side from incorrect crosswind controls....or 1 of a hundred other ways. Personally that would irk me more than the chrome jugs. Yea the chrome blows, but if he broke them in correctly they may live quite a while. Though as was pointed out, they are still rebuilds and as such other problems are more likely to arise.

Thx for the replies. I could probably live with the chrome cylinders, but the wing hitting the ground may be bigger than I want to deal with.

Most of the 180 and 185's for sale have been wrecked at some point in their lives . A wing hitting the ground is not really that big of a deal as long as it has been fixed correctly .....

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If it was a 180/185 I would care less about damage Hx with a solid repair... But for a 182 I might keep looking. There sure are a ton out there.

Thx for the thoughts Big Renna.

I take it that the thought is that there are too many good ones with no damage history out there to buy one that has damage history?

Remember also the D model 182 had the gear lowered 4" so it will be that much easier to smack the prop. I'd want the taller gear if I were in the market for a narrow body 182 (A-C models). A models had the highest gear of all...

The later (1962+) 182's also use the lower gear but you get a big cabin to stretch out in. Bigger tires help out for ground clearance but you start out 4" lower.

These are really 2 different airplanes even though they are both called 182's. Most buy the narrow bodies for their better performance or they buy wide bodies for comfort. I'd think twice about a narrow body with the low gear but thats just one mans opinion. You may be perfectly happy with one.

that is a good point about the early 182 models.

the taller gear is preferable.

OK- I think I saw this airplane at the Waldport, Oregon airport just after he hit the prop and wing. If memory serves me correct, I saw this in late February or the first week of March 2013. I walked out on the grass strip and saw where he dug in and hit in the mud/slop. So that story checks out if you need another confirmation. Don't know anything more about the airplane than that. Good luck!

DBI wrote:OK- I think I saw this airplane at the Waldport, Oregon airport just after he hit the prop and wing. If memory serves me correct, I saw this in late February or the first week of March 2013. I walked out on the grass strip and saw where he dug in and hit in the mud/slop. So that story checks out if you need another confirmation. Don't know anything more about the airplane than that. Good luck!

Thanks for that. Helpful.

I've often heard that the 60-61 planes are the fastest of the 182 series. A friend has a 61' and it has been all over the Idaho backcountry. I'm not very learned on 182s and I like the looks of the straight tails better but I don't think they are any more capable.

SixTwoLeemer wrote:Remember also the D model 182 had the gear lowered 4" so it will be that much easier to smack the prop. I'd want the taller gear if I were in the market for a narrow body 182 (A-C models). A models had the highest gear of all...

Almost accurate. The 182 built in 1956 (no letter) had tallest gear. Then the 182 A built in 57 and 58 had lowered gear. The 182 B built in 1959 had same gear as the A. The 182 C built in 1960 also had the same gear as the A. Then in 1961 with the D model they lowered it again.

I pay no attention to later years than that cus they ruined the tail feathers.

Tim

I'll just reiterate what others have said, if the repairs on the wing (would also look at the firewall if the front wheel dug in and it hit the prop and wing I don't see how the firewall would not have had damage) were repaired correctly its not anything to worry about, the only thing it will effect is the resale value (use that to your advantage). My 57 had similar damage, was repaired by a old timer that was inducted into the Minnesota A&P hall of fame (did not even know something like that existed till I researched it when I was doing my pre-buy). It flies straight and level, as good as new, actually in some cases there are advantages, my bladders where replaced at the same time. Just my opinion but if it was done right unless you are looking for a pure original, I would not be concerned. Also my 0.02, if you are going to get a swept tail, might as well just get a 62+ wide body, if you want the narrow body get it with the straight tail. Great planes, love my 57.

By the way, its a great looking plane!

Another thing. If a cylinder has only been to TBO one time and has been overhauled correctly with new everything including pistons there is no reason not for it to go to TBO if the plane is flown regularly. And chrome is the way to go if plane is at Oregon coast and only flown 25 hrs a year.

Tim