k mielke wrote:i have a champ, and after installing the stol kit the only way to get it to power off stall was to slow up to about 50mph and yank the stick into lap.if i went into it real slow it would just porpus along plus or minus 50 feet, power on stalls still work as do spins

With regards to Cessna's, a "STOL kit" usually refers to drooped leading edge cuffs and stall fences atop the wings, sometimes with drooped wingtips and/or drooping ailerons. The only thing I've seen offered for Champs is VG's. But I'm sure there's some guys out there who've developed their own stol mod's for champs.
Just curious what you are referring to?

Eric