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Which bush plane kit? Stuck in no-man's land.

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Tadpole wrote:
Ya the +1 is an attractive deal. The Rebel order sheet has an option to split the flaps and ailerons. I've not heard of the Frontier that I recall. What's the company?


I was just looking at this myself. http://www.skyraiderllc.com/frontier.html
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Tadpole wrote:
Ya the +1 is an attractive deal. The Rebel order sheet has an option to split the flaps and ailerons. I've not heard of the Frontier that I recall. What's the company?


I was just looking at this myself. http://www.skyraiderllc.com/frontier.html


That's interesting, I like that too. Nice big area inside, very basic and simple. Cool!
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Tom S-7S wrote:The comment from hotrod150 in his last post-

"...IMHO they could improve the looks alot by reshaping the trailing edge of the rudder & adding a small dorsal fin"

-got me thinking about when I was in Hays KS a couple of weeks ago for the RANS homecoming fly-in. A couple of us were standing on the flightline when a Murphy Moose landed and taxied by on the way to a tie down. I noticed a funny looking area on the fuselage in front of the horizontal stab and wondered what in the heck could have happened; and thought that I sure would hesitate to fly a plane that looked like that...

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Hard to tell from the pics, but the side skins between bulkheads in the affected area were sunk in (concave) by at least an inch...I only have pics of the right side, but the left was just as bad...

There were four guys in the plane, and we watched as they hopped out, walked back to the tail, and looked like they about shit in there pants. They obviously had no clue of the damage...

Walked over and talked to them: They had left the Denver area, and shortly after departure in straight and level flight at about a 90 knot cruise they felt a strong shake from the tail area that lasted for just a few seconds. It stopped, and the pilot didn't notice any adverse handling from the plane so they continued on to Hays.

Speculation is that they encountered rudder flutter. Scary thing as the Moose is built like a tank, and any other less well built plane just might have lost the entire tail. I know nothing about the Murphy Moose, but it appears the top rudder tip on this plane is different than other pics of the Moose on the company website. Whether it is a modified rudder or not I can't say, and whether it had anything at all to do with the possible flutter I also can't say...but changing anything from the original design of a plane could have dire consequences. Us experimental types need to beware!

Tom



This airplane is for sale:

http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_813176_Murphy+Moose.html
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I met the owner and saw that moose a couple of months ago - it has been repaired I think - didn't see all that damage. The owner just completed a Backcountry Supercub build and flew it to Oshkosh. It's hangared over at Platte Valley airport just east of here. I wasn't interested in the moose so I didn't look it over closely - but that cub was fantastic. Can't stop thinking about building one myself (cub I mean not a moose).
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Re: Which bush plane kit? Stuck in no-man's land.

Dredging up the old threads! It's not that old I guess.

For anyone who read the original post but hasn't stayed tuned to the saga, I am mid-build on a 540-powered(soon to be, anyway) 4-place Bearhawk quick-build kit.

Coming along SLOWLY:

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Re: Which bush plane kit? Stuck in no-man's land.

I've never built an airplane, so am no expert, but from what I've seen others go through I'd suggest that the last two things you buy and install are the engine and the avionics. If you buy your avionics early-on, you run the risk of being one (or several) generations behind state-of-the-art by the time the airplane actually flies. The engine, esp a 540, is gonna be pretty spendy. Maybe buy most of the other stuff, and save up for the engine whilst you're building. A guy I know was building a Harmon Rocket 2, and figured he'd have to sell his flying airplane (a Rocket 1 that he also built) to pay for the 540 to go in the 2. He ended up buying a high-time engine- figured that way he'd save some money and therefore could keep the little Rocket. Also that he'd be able to do all his flight testing (which would involve a lot of low power settings) without screwing up a fresh engine which should be run hard for break-in. He'd also be able to make sure the engine was OH'd to his satisfaction when he did get to that point with it after getting the airframe squared away.
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Yep, avionics will be spec'd as late as possible. Power bus design and wiring will probably be late in the game too.

The engine though, you just have to have it bolted on with the prop in order to do some steps, like the cowling build/assembly and layout of certain firewall-hung items like brake reservoir, oil cooler, gascolator, the heat box, battery, etc. You get to a point where there are all these steps you could start on, but they require the engine to be in place.
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Going the high-time used engine might be a good way to go, except for all the down time later when you get it OH'd. If you buy a fresh engine, make sure it's at least run in (on a test stand) if not broken in, and be sure to pickle it until it's time to fly.
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Re: Which bush plane kit? Stuck in no-man's land.

Zed, Beegles have an 0-540-A1D5, 250 hp off a Comanche up for auction; this is a very common configuration for parts and support. They state it DID have a prop strike, so should have the Lycoming back-case Service Bulletin complied with, at a minimum, viz:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lycoming-0-540- ... 2518.l4276

I don't have a personal stake in this, don't know if their starting price is fair, but have bought some small stuff from Beegles on ebay, with accurate descriptions, and delivery, plus they've got an excellent reputation in the business.

Best of luck on this, let us know what you come up with.

Thanks. cubscout
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Zzz wrote:The engine though, you just have to have it bolted on with the prop in order to do some steps, like the cowling build/assembly and layout of certain firewall-hung items like brake reservoir, oil cooler, gascolator, the heat box, battery, etc. You get to a point where there are all these steps you could start on, but they require the engine to be in place.


Just so you know, the engine is miles away from the firewall in a BH. Nothing like a Skywagon for instance.
Provided you don't mind too much where you hoses and ducts run, you could definitely get away with doing a lot of that stuff ahead of time. If you wanted to.
The risk is, you end up with extra holes in the firewall.
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There's something about the milestone effect when you buy your engine. A point of no return. Mine is on order. The wife now says; "Aren't you going to work on the airplane today?" instead of "Are you working on the damn airplane today?"

Currently horsing around on the internet......shame on me.
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I believe a firewall back Rebel kit is available for around half price in Colorado if anyone is interested. The owner did very little work on the kit so far.
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Re: Which bush plane kit? Stuck in no-man's land.

After reading all 14 pages of this thread (which is getting a little long in the tooth, but I just found it), here's a couple of candidates no one has mentioned:

Rans S20:
http://rans.com/aircraft/kits/s-20-raven.html

Good cruise, good STOL, and large baggage area on 100 hp and 5 gal/hr.

BushCaddy:
http://bushcaddy.com/en/?page_id=115

Better cruise, good STOL, 1100 lb useful load, 2+1 seating, 160hp and 7gph

It seems that what I've been looking for is very similar to Zane's requirements.
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Re: Which bush plane kit? Stuck in no-man's land.

cubscout wrote:Zed, Beegles have an 0-540-A1D5, 250 hp off a Comanche up for auction; this is a very common configuration for parts and support. They state it DID have a prop strike, so should have the Lycoming back-case Service Bulletin complied with, at a minimum, viz:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lycoming-0-540- ... 2518.l4276

I don't have a personal stake in this, don't know if their starting price is fair, but have bought some small stuff from Beegles on ebay, with accurate descriptions, and delivery, plus they've got an excellent reputation in the business.

Best of luck on this, let us know what you come up with.

Thanks. cubscout


So BAS Aviation sales is Beegles? Ahh! I corresponded with that guy a little recently about a IO-540 they had for sale but didn't realize that it was Beegles. They have a pretty good reputation in the industry, correct?
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Yes, a very good reputation - especially for repairing and salvaging Cessnas.

A link to their ebay auctions is on their home page.

http://www.beeglesair.com/


Zzz wrote:So BAS Aviation sales is Beegles? Ahh! I corresponded with that guy a little recently about a IO-540 they had for sale but didn't realize that it was Beegles. They have a pretty good reputation in the industry, correct?
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soyAnarchisto wrote:Yes, a very good reputation - especially for repairing and salvaging Cessnas.

A link to their ebay auctions is on their home page.

http://www.beeglesair.com/


Man, after looking through their eBay store, I'm leaning away from building a SuperSTOL and thinking I might just go for building a 0-time 185!! LOL
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