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Wide angle lenses

I was reading what Hammer suggested to Bart in Bart's TR thread and got to thinking about my love affair with wide angles. Let me first say, there is no substitute for money in this endeavor. Expensive glass is worth every penny. I know I need to get with the program and buy some glass that's on par with the Canon L-series, which seem to be the benchmark for pro SLR glass. It's really the main difference between amateurs and pros: How much they're willing to spend on glass. No offense to the composition artists.

But, I'm also kind of a cheap lens whore. I'm in love with Rokinons, these cheap Korean manual lenses that have remarkably good glass for the price, mainly for video work. I've also got a few C-mount lenses that I adapt to m/43 that were had for a song.

On my list of near future purchases are the SLR Magic 10mm Hyperprime, and some as yet selected expensive m4/3 zoom that's got the native electronics for my next mirrorless body. Not sure what that will be, but I've got my eye on the Voigtlander 17.5 f/0.95 prime. This photo from the GX8 I'm considering always does it for me.

But today... the ultra bargin bin Opteka 6.5mm. Should I? It's a $150 experiment. You want cool cockpit shots? Slap one of these manual lenses on your _____ brand mount (it appears to me it's the same lens with adapters for various mounts grafted on), set the aperture to a high F-value (tiny hole), shutter speed less than 1/80 sec, adjust ISO for outside exposure, focus to infinity, and pop a little fill flash. I think we need a photo contest for cockpits...

Me and Akgreg (Sigma 10-20mm f/4.0):
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I really wish I understood half of what you said in that last paragraph so I could take pictures like that. Time to take a photography class ](*,)
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ZZZ wrote: But today... the ultra bargin bin Opteka 6.5mm. Should I? It's a $150 experiment.

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Opteka 6.5mm f/3.5 HD Aspherical Fisheye Lens with Removable Hood for Canon EOS 70D, 60D, 60Da, 50D, 1Ds, 7D, 6D, 5D, 5DS, Rebel T6s, T6i, T5i, T5, T4i, T3i, T3, T2i and SL1 Digital SLR Cameras

I think I read ages ago that you have/had some Canon DSLRs yes?? This lens seems to be designed for a crop sensor camera. It may fit a full frame 5D but not fill its entire full frame sensor. Of course, if you are into the M4/3 scene, this may not be a consideration. I wonder if a deal on a used Panasonic or Olympus 7-14mm Zoom optic might also be worth considering. I have an old Panasonic 20mm that is way wide in comparison but stunning. Point being, Panasonic quality is fab. Not sure how a prime wide angle off brand would compare to a zoom premium brand optic. Also that 6.5 is a fisheye. Curious why the need for such fast lenses? Is it for the bokeh or the ability to shoot availble in low light? I think one can now crank the ISO up on cameras sufficiently so shooting available is a bit easier.

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I do love those gorgeous open wide angle shots. WOW.
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This lens first came out almost 40 years ago and it still sells for around $1,000 on the used market. I bought mine in Kathmandu for 77,600 rupes in the 90's, and it's the most fun flat field lens I've ever owned. Sharper than the high-end wild angle zooms on the market today, and it looks cool, too.

Bit of a hunk of glass to lug around though.

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^^ So Hammer, don't keep us in suspense, what is it??

One thing that's pretty critical in wide angles is the aspherical elements that are intended to reduce optical distortion. Some lenses do it better than others. Seems to be tied to the price :)

That Opteka... Some people love it, but several reviews claim they fall apart. It's not very fast so it probably looks crisper than the elements really are. Good for shooting skateboarding :)

Denali, my Canon body is a cheap T2i, APS-C size sensor.

Why fast lenses? I've never like the term fast to describe max aperture because I only rely on aperture for exposure as a last ditch. 99% of the time my aperture setting is for a specific depth of field. Super short DOF is a nice trick to have up your sleeve.

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Renegade wrote:I really wish I understood half of what you said in that last paragraph so I could take pictures like that. Time to take a photography class ](*,)



A really good place to start with and beyond as a reference is http://www.kenrockwell.com. Lot of good information on both photography methods and equipment including great recommendations. I bought a Nikon D40 as recommended from here many years ago and have been thrilled with the camera although it is no longer made. A more recent camera purchase was a Cannon S100 from this site, and again, it turned out to be a great recommendation.
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+1 for Ken Rockwell's site.
I use a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 on my D7000 and have been very happy with it.

And, of course, I have no photos on hand to share :(
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Zzz wrote:^^ So Hammer, don't keep us in suspense, what is it??

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Why fast lenses? I've never like the term fast to describe max aperture because I only rely on aperture for exposure as a last ditch. 99% of the time my aperture setting is for a specific depth of field. Super short DOF is a nice trick to have up your sleeve.

https://flic.kr/p/CTHofB


Right...sorry. It's the Nikkor 15mm flat field f3.5. It's unique in that it doesn't distort straight lines by curving them...they stay perfectly straight. The people who actually get their money's worth from this lens are architectural photographers. It's not very easy to use because the huge front element collects light from all sides and you get a lot of lens flair. It's super-fun under the right conditions though, and surprisingly sharp.

When I bought it my girlfriend was a illustrator for animation and she loved it because it provided the same perspective that animators use in their drawings. I wouldn't really recommend it for general purpose, but it's fun to have such a unique piece of glass to play with.

As to fast lenses...They were perhaps a much bigger deal when film and manual focus ruled the earth. ISO 100 was the absolute max for professional color photography, and ISO 50 was MUCH better. Maximum aperture was par for the course if you were handheld, and the faster the better.

Even more important was the difficulty in focusing slow lenses. The brighter the lens, the easier it is to focus. A f3.5 or 5.6 zoom lens was a chore to focus in good light, and impossible in dim light. The first decade of auto-focus left much to be desired, and photographers who went that route still had to revert to manual focus in any sort of challenging conditions. Even the most expensive professional cameras didn't come with diopter corrections in the eyepiece until the mid or late 90's, so if your eyesight was just a tad off it was even harder. Photographers like myself spent hundreds of dollars on different focusing screens trying to get a brighter image to focus on.

Then there was (is?) image quality. The fast Nikkor lenses (those are the only ones I'm familiar with) were simply sharper than the equivalent focal length slow lenses. Often much, much sharper. I don't know why, and I don't know if it's the same today, but that's how it used to be.

Superb autofocus and the high ISO of digital cameras have made fast lenses less important than they were for film, but they still have their place. Controlling depth of field is one of the primary benefits, but low light shooting still benefits greatly from faster shutter speeds and/or lower ISO's.
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It's funny how still photography and cinematography diverge in this area. For a given still, you are really most concerned with depth of field and exposure-- how you achieve the latter is up to you. But in cinematography, the shutter speed can only be one of a few different settings depending on your frame rate.

For airplane [video] stuff, I shoot 24 fps (usually) and fix my shutter speed at either 1/48 sec or 180 degrees (rotary shutter) on my Black Magic. This gives a nice "cinematic look" and treats the fast moving prop very nicely.

The aperture of the lens is set for your desired depth of field, which can make more or less work for adjusting focus. Small aperture opening "concentrates" the light and makes a long depth of field, allowing the foreground and background to be in focus simultaneously.

Exposure is adjusted with ISO setting and/or ND filters via thread-on lens filters or a matte box attachment.

In the olden days, from which Hammer was spawned, you actually bought film that was rated at different sensitivities (ASA or ISO.) ISO 800 film reacts faster than ISO 100. So to bump your exposure via ISO was a huge pain in the ass, unlike modern digitals.

But back to wide angle lenses: You can adjust the lens distortion in post-production with Photoshop or Lightroom or Aperture or your favorite application. Nothing is free though and there's always some portion of the subject that seems out of wack.

As much as I love primes and manual lens controls, I think you have to own a lens you can throw on and forget about it. A simple wide zoom with autofocus. I'm looking at this Panasonic and this Olympus.

I find a good way to evaluate lenses is to search Flickr.
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Zzz wrote:...

As much as I love primes and manual lens controls, I think you have to own a lens you can throw on and forget about it. A simple wide zoom with autofocus. I'm looking at this Panasonic and this Olympus.

I find a good way to evaluate lenses is to search Flickr.


Those look like pretty nice lenses to me. I wouldn't throw them out of the old pelican case.
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Re: Wide angle lenses

Just bought a new lens so I can get an entry in this little competition...though it looks like I'll be vying for the bronze medal at best given the above photos! :mrgreen:

Gonna try out a gently used Fujinon 10-24MM Zoom for my X-E2 I found on Amazon. Thanks Hammer for the info on my TR thread, decided to go with the wide angle lens first 8)
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I haven't played with much wider then my 8-15 f/4L fisheye, but the things that you can catch in a single wide angle shot is amazing! These were all shot anywhere from 10-15 on a 7D.
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bart wrote:Just bought a new lens so I can get an entry in this little competition...though it looks like I'll be vying for the bronze medal at best given the above photos! :mrgreen:

Gonna try out a gently used Fujinon 10-24MM Zoom for my X-E2 I found on Amazon. Thanks Hammer for the info on my TR thread, decided to go with the wide angle lens first 8)


That lens looks like a ripper, Bart. All metal and completely internal focus and zoom...NICE piece of glass right there. You should have a lot of fun with it.

AK_logan...you're posting some really nice pictures! Keep 'em coming...
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Super crisp, Logan! Nice shots.
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Zzz wrote:... Super short DOF is a nice trick to have up your sleeve.

https://flic.kr/p/CTHofB


Heres a quick example of both the good and bad aspects of a very shallow depth of field. Sorry it's not wide-angle, but it was handy.

On one hand, the out of focus points of light (bohken) are quite nice.

On the other hand, the depth of field is so shallow that only a small segment of the wooden pillars is in focus. It would be a nicer photograph if all of parts the pillars were in sharp focus.

85mm focused at about four feet at f1.4

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Here's one down fall with a wide lens. Lots of flare in this. Part of it might be my lens was/is dirty.
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And little to no flare.
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bart wrote:Just bought a new lens so I can get an entry in this little competition...though it looks like I'll be vying for the bronze medal at best given the above photos! :mrgreen:

Gonna try out a gently used Fujinon 10-24MM Zoom for my X-E2 I found on Amazon. Thanks Hammer for the info on my TR thread, decided to go with the wide angle lens first 8)


Hey Bart, did your lens arrive yet???
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some great shots in here so far......
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bart wrote:Just bought a new lens so I can get an entry in this little competition...though it looks like I'll be vying for the bronze medal at best given the above photos! :mrgreen:

Gonna try out a gently used Fujinon 10-24MM Zoom for my X-E2 I found on Amazon. Thanks Hammer for the info on my TR thread, decided to go with the wide angle lens first 8)


Hey Bart, did your lens arrive yet???


Nope, the first deal fell through but found another used one on amazon, so it should be here tomorrow. Hopefully it's in good shape or I'm sending it back. There was no pictures of it, so I'm a little worried but we'll see....
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Fingers crossed for you Bart! Be super-choosey... A single lens repair will usually cost more than whatever savings you get from a used lens. Used lenses are fine, but be sure you're happy with everything about it or send it back.

I just got outbid on a fisheye lens on ebay...who'd have thought that people would bid in the last hour?

There's just no end to the depravity of some folks...
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