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Wilga!

Have been playing with this thing a bit and it is a blast to fly!!!
Ailerons are HEAVY! but everything else is great.
It has to be about the easiest thing I have ever landed.
Full flaps and no power and I think it goes down faster than my Enstrom did!!
Just starting to flirt with it a little bit.
Anyone else out there that can share some advice?
Cory the WilgaBeast gave a few pointers, sure did help. Thanks =D>
Havin fun burnin gas
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I see one around here on floats, floater guys say it works pretty good. PZL-104MA Wilga 2000 is the Lycoming variant developed in 1979 for the North America market along with the floats.
Here's some pictures:
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=72427

One of our local pilots left this one on a local glacier. He'd put it on wheel/skis and was landing up there to paint landscapes when he got caught with a shifting wind on a takeoff run.

http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/imagePreview.asp?image=/forumPix/14000/14148.jpg&x=560&y=348&t=4904#

Here's his story on it...........
While I painted on the Cheakamus, the wind picked up. Taking off from a glacier in a strong wind could be tricky, even dangerous, so I put down my watercolour, unfinished, and hurried John (Toronto photographer John Reeves) back into the plane.
As we taxied down the mountainside, the snow began sticking to the skis. Halfway in the run, I could see we’d never reach flying speed. I chopped the power, turned the plane and headed back up the slope.
“We’ll take another shot at it,” I radioed John over the headset.
On my first try, I had laid down tracks in the snow so this time, I swung the Wilga into the grooves. As we gained speed, I pulled full flaps, the lateral controls at the rear of the wings that create air resistance and lift the plane off the ground. Nothing happened. We were rattling down the glacier at 50 miles per hour. I glanced at the flaps. They dangled from the wings. Then I noticed the snow swirling past the window. That meant a tail wind had caught up to us and eliminated the air resistance. We careened off the tracks toward a gaping crevasse that sliced across the lower end of the glacier.
I had to make a split-second decision. If I cut the engine and stopped the propeller, our momentum would still carry us over the glacier and the plane would drop into the crevasse. I left the power on. We leaped into the air and slammed into the far wall of the glacier. A spasm of pain jolted me awake. Jagged strips of metal from the fuselage pinned my legs under the wrecked instrument panel. The engine had been rammed through the cockpit and had punched out the control panel. My shoulder harness had sprung open and my seat had been wrenched off its mounting. My hand still clutched the throttle. And my ring finger bled, cut to the bone. Probably, it had been caught between the throttle and the pitch control on the instrument panel.


— BCTV on Global Toni Onley crash landed his light plane on a glacier near Garibaldi Provincial Park in 1984.

I turned to John. His seat had been almost thrust out of the aircraft. He sat buckled into it, his head slumped forward, blood dripping from his mouth. I struggled to free my leg, then shouted, “John, are you all right?” Once or twice, he flinched, indicating he lived, though apparently suffering from massive internal injuries.
I reached over to John and slapped his face to revive him.
His eyes snapped open and he twisted in his shoulder harness. “What kind of a place is this?...I hope they have a good wine cellar.” He had lost his memory. “We crashed, John . . . we crashed.” He turned to the window. The Wilga was wedged into a narrow crevasse. It had jumped the first crevasse, and slotted into a second, narrower one. If the plane suddenly tilted backward, it would pitch us through the rear window and we’d tumble into the first crevasse, about 90 feet deep.
Fortunately, the blood trickling from John’s mouth only came from a cut lip. Except for a swollen cheek that made his face resemble that of a friendly, oversized chipmunk, he seemed all right. I helped him unbuckle his harness and he shifted to one of the other seats in the cabin.
John was peeking into the hole in the floor. With a crooked smile, he added, “Toni, I suppose you realize this crash scotches our story. CP Air isn’t going to publish anything that ends in an airplane crash.” He turned to me. “So what do we do now?”
“I turned on the emergency locator transmitter. We wait for help.”
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Re: Wilga!

How difficult is maintenance on those things?

Finding an AME with experience working on them?

Sourcing parts?
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Re: Wilga!

Karmutzen , I have experience with loosing one of my best friends in an airplane in a crevasse in the past [-o< [-o< .
Never want to go there again!


ZPilot wrote:How difficult is maintenance on those things?

Finding an AME with experience working on them?

Sourcing parts?

Hopefully wont need many for awhile as less than 400 TTSN =D>
It appears like Maint is going to be very easy, they are built like a tank, There are almost no screws to remove just pop open all the inspection covers that are on hinges, everything else is 1/4 turn.
Zinc Chromate on the inside of everything! bell cranks and rods for most controls.
Have not needed any parts, but appears like most are available.
Things look either very simple and over built, or like the airsystem, very complex for such a simple operation!
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For an old fat guy, they are harder to get into the front seat than my Maule was!! :mrgreen:
Not sure how I'll get into it when I put some ABW on it? #-o
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Re: Wilga!

Count on George to have some of the most unusual aircraft. George first of May have airline(Rod is ending up in Yakatahk) buddy going to ANC for a week could bring back your "package" . I've been in a Wilga and the starting system is unique to say the least -air compressor battery powered that flips the thing thru backwards --- When it fly's it just repulses the earth --- not terribly fast but should operate anywhere there's a tennis court empty . In Europe they use them for glider tugs .
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So happy to see you having fun with it! I've put some new 'markings' on mine this week.. (more to come)

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Can't wait to fly with you sometime. I am building a basic Wilga support site with parts resources and technical information. Should be done sometime this year. It'll be on WilgaBeast.com. (free of course)
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WilgaBeast wrote:I am building a basic Wilga support site with parts resources and technical information. Should be done sometime this year. It'll be on WilgaBeast.com. (free of course)


Thanks for doing that. I am interested in those airplanes, but I just don't know much about them, and if they're feasable to own.

Also, are how are they cetified here in the US?
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Re: Wilga!

The 104-35 is experimental
104-80 is certified??
And that's about all I know about that! #-o
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Re: Wilga!

Those Wilgas are amazing birds! Bernie Vasquez maintains 3 Wilgas near Sacramento. He's got a -35 for sale. Give him a call if you need some stats or facts.
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M6RV6 wrote:The 104-35 is experimental
104-80 is certified??
And that's about all I know about that! #-o
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Does that mean the -35 can only be operated under the restrictions of experimental-exhibition?
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Re: Wilga!

Av8r3400 wrote:
M6RV6 wrote:The 104-35 is experimental
104-80 is certified??
And that's about all I know about that! #-o
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Does that mean the -35 can only be operated under the restrictions of experimental-exhibition?


That appears to be the case since the original 35 had to be modified in order to meet FAA certification.

From Wikipedia PZL 104 Wilga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-104_Wilga
Wilga 80...
Wilga 35 modified in accordance with FAR regulations for US market, of 1979, powered by PZL AI-14RA engine, serial production.
Wilga 80/1400 (80H)
Export floatplane variant of 1982 built in cooperation with Canada, powered by PZL AI-14RD (206 kW /280 HP) engine.
Wilga 80/550 Melex
Wilga 80 fitted with Continental flat engine in the USA, of 1992 (prototype)
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Re: Wilga!

How 'bout a non-hangar, non-airport picture? Curious if anyone has a weight/performance/fuel burn comparison between the radial, Lycoming 470, and Lycoming 540. That video explaining the cockpit said 17 gal/hour at 77 knots with the radial, at 10,000+ altitude?!? Can't be right.

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That's very cool George.. Sounds like a real hoot..
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