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Wood vs Metal

Looking at changing my prop to get a little better performance. The TC for the Luscombe only allows me to use a McCauley 1A90 with a max diameter of 71 inches. Currently I run a 7151. The TC does allow any wood propeller that meets static rpm requirements; of course the proper ground clearance has to be maintained so that leaves me with a make length of about 74inches.

Am I going to gain anything by going to a longer wood prop? I contacted Flight Resource and found out that the fixed pitch MT props are certified as wood so I could go with a MT. Too bad their MTV-1 is certified as a constant speed instead of an "adjustable pitch."

This is what the TC says about wood props:

Propeller - wood (fixed or adjustable pitch) (Models 8A, 8B, 8C, 8D, 8E and 8F)

Pretty open...just has to be a certified wood prop.
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Re: Wood vs Metal

Whee,
Performance wise I don't think you will see any improvement.
It will take 11 lbs off the nose and run smoother and if you wreck it you'll have
Kindling for a fire.
I went with wood on the Vagabond for weight and looks.
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Re: Wood vs Metal

What horsepower is that Luscombe? From the prop diameter & pitch you cite it must be an 85 or 90? Looking at the Univair catalog, a 72" Sensenich wood prop (W72GK-48 or 50) is approved . A friend of mine tried a couple props on his 65 horse 8A, and the best performer was a Sensenich wood. One side benefit besides lighter weight is (maybe?) no engine teardown if you ever have a prop strike. The downside is that they're harder to handprop due to less momentum, if you don't have an electric system.
Looking at the Sensenich metal catalog, I don't see anything listed for a Luscombe but I do see the 76AK-2-42 (74" diameter) listed for the 85 & 90 horse Cubs. Might be possible to get it approved with the 85 or 90 on your Luscombe?
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Re: Wood vs Metal

Mine is 85hp. I really don't want to have to get approval for anything; I just want to put it on and be legal. The McCauley 1A90 is the only approve metal prop for the 8E. I have a friend with a 8A than he only uses wood props. He is kind of a collector, last I talked with him he had about a dozen props. If he wasn't across the state I'd go see him and try a few.

Where the TC allows any wood prop to be used and it says "adjustable" I thought a ground adjustable MT might be a good option. But I've also heard that wood props aren't as efficient as metal so I'm not sure there will be any benefit aside from weight.

Interesting side note: A Beech Controllable Pitch prop was approved on the 8A 8C and 8D.

You can see the crank to adjust pitch on the upper right of the panel:
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If the MT or other "modern era" wood props have well-designed composite tips, then the tips might possibly be as thin at the tip section as a metal prop, which then might mean you would get similar performance out of it as a metal prop.

A standard wood prop (Sensenich etc.) is thicker at the tip for structural reasons, giving you a thick airfoil which is inefficient and makes a lot of drag. Imagine a big ugly 2X over-thick Clark Y airfoil trying to fly at .8 Mach... lots of drag, which on a propeller means more engine HP used to overcome that drag. This thickness problem could easily take away any added thrust from a larger diameter or weight benefit.

However if you find that the MT props have a wood core that tapers off to a solid composite section out near the tip, and is thus a much thinner airfoil in that critical region - you might get the advantages of both wood and metal.
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whee, I had a cub 85hp with a 1B90 and my buddy had a cub 90 hp with a wood sensenich. He borrowed my metal 1B90 and instantly gained 7 mph. That's quite a bit for a cub. I didn't try his wood on my 85 cub. Just a little input from the Piper side of things.
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When it comes to a wood prop, think 1/2. If you buy a used one its only worth 1/2 or less of a new one, and if you buy a new one and put the crush ring mark on it torquing it up, its now only worth 1/2 of what you paid for it even if you only put 1 minutes worth of time on it. Know what your doing before you buy one. doug
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Re: Wood vs Metal

When it comes to a wood prop, think 1/2. If you buy a used one its only worth 1/2 or less of a new one, and if you buy a new one and put the crush ring mark on it torquing it up, its now only worth 1/2 of what you paid for it even if you only put 1 minutes worth of time on it. Know what your doing before you buy one. doug
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Re: Wood vs Metal

So I pay 3k for a MT, find out it sucks and can only sell it for 1500. That does not sound very good. Thanks for the tip guys.

c-ed, I'm guessing you no longer have the cub?? would be nice to find some guys around here to fly with.
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sold the cub in 2004, the best flying there is. Am now flying a tripacer. More comfortable, but not as fun as the stick in the right hand and the throttle in the left.
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