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Another "I bought a 180" thread... (and WV-CO trip report)

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Another "I bought a 180" thread... (and WV-CO trip report)

Same story you've heard a million times. I wanted a 180 blah blah 170s are cheaper blah blah pacers are even cheaper blah blah high altitude in colorado blah blah 182 blah blah no i really want a 180 blah blah H models have the amenities blah blah early models are lighter blah blah i can only afford some years/conditions blah blah. That was about a year over which I was doing some training (tailwheel, IFR) and trying to increase my savings so I could get something nicer when I decided to pull the trigger. This would be my first plane, and for reference I have 160TT. Stupid? Maybe.

So then I found a 1957 online. I went and visited it on a business trip, made an offer pending inspection, but the owner and I were too far away on price. Looked at 4 more 180's in person, nothing I wanted. Called owner again a few weeks later and made the same offer again("Are you sure you don't want to get rid of it, I know you just bought a 210"). We agreed, set up an annual by a local shop, etc. Everything looked good.

This past Thursday night, Matt (mountainmatt) and I flew Southwest out to DC and drove to West Virginia to meet the seller. Everything looked good so we got in my new plane and took off west towards Boulder, taking a round-about course to visit friends, my family in Kentucky, and some airstrips Matt wanted to visit over two days.

Before the good stuff, I'd like to thank:
- Matt (mountainmatt) for instruction/advice/everything
- Evan (Crzyivan13) for having us at his strip and buying lunch
- Greg D (soyanarchisto) for being the first BCP member to reach out to me in real life and show me the perks of owning a 180
- Greg H (bigrenna) for advice, knowledge, and all that jazz
- Alex (Felix) for taking me flying in his 180 and helping me navigate purchasing/taxes/etc
- Tony (AEROPOD) for technical/mechanical consulting/advice
- Everyone else on BCP who has ever contributed anything, I've scoured this place for knowledge over the past year

The plane:
1957 C180A, never modded out as a bush plane, but lots of small useful mods. 4800TT, 250 SMOH, new-ish panel/interior, good engine instruments. Nothing state of the art or fancy, but's corrosion-free (as far as we could tell), flys straight and fast, and seems well taken care of over the years. "No damage history". Weight savings was never a thought of previous owners, so it's a little heavy.
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The Trip:

Departing KMRB with it's C17's
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We stopped at Cedar Meadows Airpark (9 miles from KMRB, nice long grass strip) to talk to a guy who knew the last couple owners and had given some instruction/ferrying to them. Matt and Jim talking about the plane:
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West Virginia wind farm:
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We had found a public (or at least no labeled private) strip on the sectional, 6M0 in WV so we decided to stop. Was a very interesting place and Adam (the resident farmer/pilot) was a very nice guy and super friendly. Still not sure if it's public or not...
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Next stop was Checkpoint Charlie, Evan's 1000ft strip:
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Two 1957 cousins.
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Evan joined us to fly as a flight of two to get fuel, getting a couple great shots
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Crossing the Ohio River:
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150mph over my home state of Kentucky:
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We stayed at my family's farm that night after a little bit of instruction at the local airport, and left early the next morning since 2/3's of the trip was still ahead of us.

Nostalgia flying over KBWG, where I got my private certificate:
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About an hour of low visibility and light ran (but calm air) in Western Kentucky eventually gave way to perfectly calm clear air after we crossed the Mississippi River.
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We did some more instruction at KBPK before stopping at Gaston's (3M0) in Arkansas for lunch. It was truly a beautiful place, and I'm very glad Matt knew about it. would highly recomend stopping in.
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(The frustration of having a difficult time sticking the landings was glossed over by the joys of ownership in that picture)

Right after Gaston's we stopped by Trigger Gap, one of RAF's newest strips and a real gem. I hope to return when I can actually land the plane well...
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After a few hours of XC buzzing across Arkansas and Kansas, we chose Great Bend, Ks (KGBD) to get fuel and do some more instruction. This is where I felt like I really learned the plane doing the exercises Matt had me do over and over. Was an amazing learning experience and a definite morale booster. It was nearing sunset on a beautiful day, with a big calm airport at our disposal.
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Once we left KGB, we pointed towards Boulder and took advantage of a great tailwind to make good time on our last leg flying into the sunset in calm air. These long smooth legs allowed Matt to teach me how to read/interpret/use the engine instrumentation which was new to me.
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We ended up arriving in Boulder about an hour after dark to some busy airspace and a burnt out landing light to cap off a good 10 hour flying day. The total trip ended up being 15.7 hours, satisfying my insurance requirements for dual, and Matt signed off on the checkout. What adventure. I can't even bring to words how much I learned about purchasing my first airplane, flying a high performance taildragger, grass landings, engine performance, etc.
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(missing a couple non-idented landing spots)



I was able to take the plane up this morning for my first flight solo and man, what a machine. I'm obviously still in the honeymoon phase of ownership, but it's great to be able to enjoy something that I spent (all of) my hard earned money on. I'm very thankful I'm lucky enough to be able to fly a skywagon, much less own one.

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From one 1957 Skywagon owner to another... congrats!!! I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
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Congratulations. I can see your grin all the way up here in AK.
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Congrats, and great TR!
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So - that was your smile - thought it was a gravitational wave that blew through.

Take yer time.
Be safe.

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I'm always up for solid trip reort and yours sure does not dissapoit. Good. Work.. just kee the tail behind you and focus on 3 points early in crosswinds for a little while. Find as much grass as you can.
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Congrats! I know that excitement 8)

Last April I flew my Stinson from Oregon to Florida (New Mexico on with the new owner), then flew my new to me M4 home solo from Cleveland. Easily one of the best weeks of my life so far!

Here's to a great summer of flying!
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Nice and great trip report!!!!
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Congrats! Nice TR. I sold my 180 after flying it 100 hrs, and on the last flight to deliver it I was still in the honeymoon stage. Just never gets old!
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Excellent! You will love the plane. Glad that there are so many stepping up for a tenure of stewardship for these lovely flying machines!
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Congrats! The lure of the mighty skywagon strikes again!
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Welcome to the club. I'm 19 months in and still in the honeymoon phase. The airplane humbles you, doesn't it? I think I like that best about it.

The incandescent landing lights carry romance and nostalgia, and are period correct. You're lucky because they survive quite well in the wing. Mine in the cowl do not. I switched to LED. You may chose to do the same if you're interested in a few mods to break the ice.

Why do you think it's heavy? Might want to review the weight and balance progression and calculations, or just weigh it. Might not be as bad as you think. What items do you think added weight? Avionics? Upholstery?
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Congrats, Asa! Great TR to boot!

I've owned my '59 180 for 11 years now, and as far as I can tell I'm still in the honeymoon phase. :) These planes are just smile factories.

Have fun, and don't get bogged down with mods and such. Just fly the heck out of it and enjoy!
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Thanks Asa for letting me apart of your wonderful experience. You sure picked a good 180, I really enjoyed my time in 12B. No doubt you'll have many adventures ahead and trip reports to share in that great plane.

Also, it was great to visit some places that I've been reading about for a long time. It was awesome to see Checkpoint Charlie, Gaston's, and Trigger Gap in person. I'll be back to these places with hope to stay a while longer.

You're a good stick Asa, keep up the good work!

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Congrats ASA!

Sure is an exciting time for you, I know, Ive been there.

Don't worry about mods right now, stock 180's fly great as they are. However, that being said, if you don't have BAS shoulder harness both front seats get em NOW. Also, get the BAS tail pull handle. 2 rather simple mods that really really pay off.

Im sure everyone could mention what to do to your airplane but I think those are the important ones for now. Oh ya, put LOTS of gas in her and fly fly fly. Have fun. Great looking 180!

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Congrats and great looking plane.

I'm sure Matt has filled your mind with lots of ideas for the mods to do and ways to lighten your plane. I'd put BAS harness and tail pulls in and bigger tires then get a couple hundred hours in it before deciding what other mods to do. Have fun and be safe.
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Thanks everyone. It already has shoulder harnesses, but I've seen the need for tail pulls after pulling it around a bit. Those will likely be the first "mod" I do, but not sure when that will be.

The plane is tied down at it's temporary home at KBDU while I wait a couple months for a hangar to open up. At least there is a 185 and a 140 in the background keeping an eye on it for me.
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Also, saw this on the first page of the original POH. Thought it was pretty cool.
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Thats cool ASA!
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I've not used the BAS handles on any aircraft that I can think of. Mine isn't so equipped, and I don't really feel the need for them. Most ground handling, I use a hand tow bar on the tail wheel, or push on the struts if I'm going forward. I'm not keen to punch a couple holes in the side of my fuselage for these handles. A contrary view, I know. I'm open to more explanations of the benefit though.
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asa wrote: The plane: 1957 C180A, never modded out as a bush plane, but lots of small useful mods. 4800TT, 250 SMOH, new-ish panel/interior, good engine instruments. Nothing state of the art or fancy, but's corrosion-free (as far as we could tell), flys straight and fast, and seems well taken care of over the years. "No damage history". Weight savings was never a thought of previous owners, so it's a little heavy. ...


How much is "a little heavy"?
Frankly, I don't know how some guys are keeping their 180's down in the mid-1500's with BW's and other heavy mods,
but that's what they're reporting. FWIW my 1953 model (with 850's & some mods) comes in at 1652# empty, with the CG at 34.63".
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