boyfalldown wrote: I just bought the lakeviews for my 1961 182. ... Does anybody here have pictured of their seatbelt anchor on a pre 62, or know of an alternate mount that I'm not aware of?

I'll take photos of my rear seat belt attaches today, email me at [email protected] and I'll send them to you.

Glidergeek wrote: and that is the question. Why have the seat rails if you can't adjust the seat? --------
Strengthens the floor, you're not using the same mounting points as the stock seat mounts, and yes you can drill other holes to adjust the seat position with the Lakeviews.

On both the Dodge & LakeVue seats, the outboard sliders are attached to the side of the fuselage, which tapers in toward the aft end of the airplane. The inboard tracks are mounted parallel to each other, square to the longitudinal axis of the airplane. So the sliders & tracks are closer to each other the farther aft you go. It doesn't seem like you can have much fore / aft adjustment of the seats, there's only a very limited range where the seat dimension & slider-to-track dimensions are gonna match. The inboard seat legs can be slightly out of plumb but past a certain point they're not gonna fit onto the tracks very well.

There is 11" of travel from the forward position to the furthest aft position. Because of the way the seats are hinged on the sides and the ability to adjust the seats rear leg height, they can be moved easily and still have the seat be level. As to the legality of moving the seat to a different position other that what is shown on the installation instructions, would be considered 'gray area' and up to interpretation by all those involved according to Atlee Dodge.

boyfalldown wrote:I just bought the lakeviews for my 1961 182. The install was a breeze and I've done everything but the seatbelts. The original rear seatbelts in my plane bolted to the seat frame itself. The lakeview stc suggests a part number for a seat belt attach anchor from a later 182, best price I've found is $750 each.... Does anybody here have pictured of their seatbelt anchor on a pre 62, or know of an alternate mount that I'm not aware of? ...

The outboard belts bolt to brackets that is slid in & riveted between between the aircraft skin and the bulkhead where the aft end of the sliders install -- Cessna p/n 0711084-15 & -16 per the installation instructions. Seems like you could shop fabricate a pair of outboard brackets to duplicate the Cessna parts. The inboard ends of the seat belts attach to a bracket bolted down through through the floor at the aft stock rear seat attach-- Cessna p/n 0711083-1. I'm guessing that's the expensive one? The center attach bracket could be replaced with a heavy steel adel-type clamp and a heavy welded steel ring. The outboard half of my seat belts bolt to the fuselage brackets and stay in place all the time. The inboard halves clip to the center bracket when in use, but to keep the cargo area orderly they're kept in a bag with the rear pax headsets when the seats are stowed.

Waterboy wrote:....Any thoughts on installing only one seat? Only $800 more for the second Lakeview. Any reasons I should buy two? Those who have done the install did you order a seatbelt kit from the seat maker?

I always wanted a set of folding jumpseats for my old 170 but never wanted to pony up the dough. What I ended up doing was to install a single C185 jump seat, as I found a RH seat someone had advertised for $150. What a score! I don't have the p/n but Cessna calls it a individual middle row seat. The outboard side bolts to the side attach point for the stock bench seat, and to a nutplate that you have to install in the aft door post. The inboard side just sits on the floor. It doesn't fold up, but the back slides up and off, and the seat bottom only takes about three minutes to put in or remove. I mounted a Brownline cargo ring & base to the floor for the outboard seatbelt attach, and the inboard attach used a steel clamp & ring (as described in my earlier post) bolted into the floor at the stock rear seat attach point. I bought the seatbelt from Spruce. They have different lengths & configurations so it's easy to get what you need.

An IA friend of mine did the 337 for me- the field approval was a snap as he had done the exact same thing to his 170. This was back in 2003, the airplane has long since been sold but if you want a copy of the 337 you can get the FAA records CD for $10. N4401V.

rear seat belt attaches for my BAS / LakeVue jumpseats

I am about to pull the trigger on some folding seats. But I'm still going back and forth between the two.

Question do the FA Dodge seats come with all the hardware needed to install the seat-belts? Looks like an extra $250 for the mounting hardware for the Lakeview seats. When you add that in there is not much in the way of savings.

If I upgrade to a 180 in a few years could I take the seats with me? Seems like I could with the Lakeview seats but Dodge seats will be staying as the side rails prevent the reinstallation of the bench seat.

Why couldn't you remove the side rails for the Dodge seats? Even if they're riveted on (??) instead of bolted like the BAS side tubes.
I've never ridden for long in either one, but I prefer the BAS seats for the fabric covering on the seat bottom & back-- much more comfortable IMHO than the metal panels on the Dodge version. The Dodge floor & side rails are nice however as you can use the much more affordable Brownline cargo rings with them. They make cargo rings to fit the Cessna floor rails used in the BAS installation, but they're pretty spendy.

It depends on what seat belts you have. If you have stock 170 seatbelts like I did then you will need new belts. They have to be able to pass through the quick release that attaches to the ring. My stock rear seat belts had the metal attaching end sewn on so I couldn't use them.

You could possibly remove the seats and transfer them to a 180. But then you would be leaving a lot of holes in the floor and bulkheads. The new owner probably wouldn't like that.

I received a quick email response from Denny at Lakeview. I can use my original 170 bench seat belts with the Lakeview seats. If I were to later on buy a 180 the lakeview seats would be easy to transfer. The floor seat rails would stay in place and new ones would be installed in the 180.

I agree with Rob there is too much hardware to remove the side rails for the FA Dodge seats. Lakeview side bars just unbolt.

I think I'm sold on the Lakeview. I like that I can use them with adding visions. Keeping the plane light. My son will be in a car seat for a while still. I think this is the best mod I can make for my 170.

Whichever way you go you will love them. By far the best mod I have done to my 170.

I got my order in for the Lakeview seats. Denny had some in made up in stock. I won't be home to install until October. I'll try to get some good photos and document the installation. Looking forward to never having to use the bench seat again.

Im interested in either one.
My plan is for when mt biking, just fold the seat against the sides.

Which one is easier to fold to the side?
Do both need tools to do this?

If they are not super easy I might as well keep my Cessna seats that can be removed in 10 minutes.

If I'm not using the seat, I just take an extra 2 seconds to completely remove it from the plane rather than have it folded against the side. No tools needed.

motoadve wrote:If they are not super easy I might as well keep my Cessna seats that can be removed in 10 minutes.

Atlees come out in about 8 seconds...

I struggled along for years with the stock bench seat in my old C170. Using hitch-pins to attach the back to the bottom made for a (relatively) quick removal, but both Atlee Dodge and the Lakevue folders have that beat all to hell. Mine are BAS, now sold by Lakevue-- I think they're a bit cheaper, plus they use ceconite for the bottom & back which is easier on your ass than the metal Dodges.

Sounds good and are the LakeVue as easy to remove?

I plan to add some cushion to them though.

I've never removed my BAS (Lakevue) seats, since for my purposes folding them up out of the way is sufficient. Can't recall for sure, but I think there's just one or two bolts to remove on each end of the slide tube and the whole seat assembly will come out. Then unclip the seatbelts & they come out too.

If you plan on removing the rear seats as a standard practice instead of just folding them up, a set of "divided middle row" seats out of a C185 might be a better choice if you can find them cheap.

My wife uses one of these to fly:

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... seats1.php

If shes not flying it works great on the Atlee seat.

Cheap solution for upholstery.

Installing the FA Dodge seats right now. I've seen both set ups and believe this system to be superior. Pretty involved installation on a late model 185 with float kit but worth the effort IMO.