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"Chicken Strip"

Discuss your knowledge of airports and off-airport strips. Help inform other pilots of status, warnings, noise abatement, and closure endangerment. See also: http://www.shortfield.com
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once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:

"An emergency landing, sir? Well thank goodness you were able to land here safely. And speaking of safety...we wouldn't want you to attempt to take off from here until your plane is checked out by an expert. Go ahead and call your mechanic. In the meantime we'll call the FSDO so that one of their inspectors can respond and give you and your plane a thorough going over, just to be safe. "


Why thank you for your concern Ranger Richard but you see the nature of my emergency was not related to my aircraft. It seems that my passanger developed, how shall we say, a bit of an urgent problem. As you can see by yonder wet spot all is well now and we will be on our way. Please note that I have my passanger on a leash as required on page 986 Par-14 of your "Book of Many Rules".

In case you have any question about my responsibility and authority as PIC to land at this time I refer you to FAR 91.3, especially the part about "final authority".

Naturally had there been a White "X" on this old airstrip, indicating that it was closed, I would have deviated to the next available one. It was very thoughtful of you to never put X's on any of these old airstrips.

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Richard:

Where is the 170? :?: :?: O.K. I have to admit this looks like a great place.

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Hmmm, I'll give you the x factor.

Glen Canyon NRA (how'd ya like that job? 8) ) People kept landing on it, and ending up stuck in the sewage leech field at the end :shock:

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And the new airport instead a few miles away:

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Another one where nature took her course :shock: No one ponied up to repair it, so the NPS closed it:

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I'm sure some still try to land on the usable portion. Back in 2000(?) we had to rescue (and take to the hospital) a guy who decided to try to land on it for fun and lost it. Yes, after he got out we fired him up with a citation :twisted: I'll be the first to admit we can be b*****s sometimes. Part of the job.


The two planes on the webcam are our work planes - a 185, and a Husky. Mine's still in Wash. getting her annual before the trip up.
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Jr.CubBuilder wrote:
once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:The two planes on the webcam are our work planes - a 185, and a Husky.


??? :shock: In WA? I don't suppose you folks are hiring?


Well, the webcam (and me, and the work) is in Alaska. My plane is in Washington until next week.
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Any of you guys at the chicken strip been buzzed by military jets?
I have been flying out of Lemoore for years and we have always wondered about that strip in Saline. I must fly over it once a week, and have seen only 4 aircraft out there in 10 years. Now with the info I found on this forum, I am going to have to take the 170 out there this winter.

By the way, last week someone had "Go Navy" written in 10 foot letters with rocks!

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Hot now for sure

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buzzlatka wrote:Any of you guys at the chicken strip been buzzed by military jets?
...I must fly over it once a week, and have seen only 4 aircraft out there in 10 years. -Steve


Yeah, duh. A local there told me that one time a jet came so low, and then kicked in the afterburners & went straight vertical, blowing over the outhouse!
Last time I was there in Feb '06, as I crossed the West ridge, I called center to see if the area was hot. The controller seemed bothered by my request, and said he didn't see anything around. A few minutes later, in my descent toward Chicken Strip, I saw a white jet crossing my flight path, from South to North, below me.
So, yeah, the answer is yes.
P.S. Do you guys see us when you're zipping around on the training routes? I've seen you in the jets a couple of times from the air, and it's always a little disquieting to see you sneaking up so quickly, and at such low altitude.
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Stopped by the "Chicken Strip" on my way to North Las Vegas. Strip is in pretty good shape with a couple of whoopty do's in the middle but completely landable. The springs were pretty well occupied as the weather is starting to cool and the place is once more a popular destination, at least by land. It didn't appear there had been another airplane in there for awhile.

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Sorry about the quality of the photos. Batteries in camera were dead so the cell phone had to do...
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Anybody been to the Chicken strip recently ? Thinking about going this weekend and was wondering what shape is it in.
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Chicken

I was just talking to a friend about that place. There is a storm coming in though, and it will block me from returning this weekend. I have to fly back to the the west from there to the bay area. Been there done that, and not again.
Last time it took me eight hours to go from there to SQL, and that was after waiting two days.
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The Chicken Strip

I landed there last Saturday (11/11). It's in good shape. It's a little bumpy, but nothing that made me fear for my prop. It's all gravel, but I didn't pick up a single nick.

While overflying Stovepipe on the way to CHX, I spoke briefly with a gentleman who told me his son had trailered a grader all of the way up from Texas to fix the strip last year. What a great guy!

The water is coming back to the lower springs, which is good because the upper springs are pretty crowded.

We did the trip from Palo Alto (SQL was closed) to Furnace Creek last Friday morning and returned yesterday (Sunday). We hit the storm cycle just right, and were able to fly semi-direct via Mammoth Pass both ways. A storm came through Friday night and Saturday. There was a liberal dusting of snow over the Sierra yesterday, where Friday there was none. We had nasty headwinds both directions, but I was just delighted that we were able to do the trip.

Zona, I hear your pain about getting stuck. I have canceled more trips than I have completed to Death Valley, and I have yet to see it in full bloom. We usually make the trip over a 3 days weekend. Xanterra requires 48 hours advance notice of cancellation at the Ranch, Inn or Stovepipe. That means making the go/no-go decision 5 days before the return trip. If the forecast is flaky, I cancel (again and again).

Anyway, CHX is great. Enjoy!

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Wind in Death Valley

Once while camping in Death Valley, a five gallon jug full of water was *blown* off the tailgate during the night! The winds there can make the winds of New Mexico look breezy in comparison. There's a place there where *rocks* are actually blown along the desert floor, leaving trails behind them in the mud. - Tie 'er down fast.
I'm jonesing for a trip to Saileen Valley. But now the wx got us pinned down, for awhile anyway. Enjoy, Berk
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Hi Berk,

We had a pretty strong wind last Saturday night on the back side of the storm that went through. I had the plane tied down well at Furnace Cr., but I woke up worrying about sand ruining the windscreen. It was ok, but next time I'm bringing the cabin cover.

The flight from Furnace Creek over to CHX was fun. We did it around 6,500 and cruised over the Racetrack. We couldn't spot the rock trails from the air, but it was fun to see the wild country, neat formations and crazy 4WD roads.

Here's hoping for a light winter!

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Re: Chicken Strip

Zona wrote:I was just talking to a friend about that place. There is a storm coming in though, and it will block me from returning this weekend...


There's a ridge of high pressure parked over the state now, and the winds are 'sposed to calm down, too. Time to cruise on over for a look at the fresh snow on the mtns, and soak for a few daze in the shadow of the Panamint Range?

Now, if I can shake these "honey do's" and sneak off to the airport...
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Ugh, me too.

I wish.

I keep having to go to company functions, and the like. Too much party, too little flying, this has to change soon. I hope to get down there between Christmas and the new year.......
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Hot water - "the kind you love to get into!"

Desert Rat wrote:This is an airstrip S/E of Chicken Strip at about 5,000'. The springs and Chicken are at the left of the Pix. in the valley. The strip is very steep but short.
...It's been used for years (still is). There is another one higher on the ridge but I can't find a pix. of it...
...This is one of probably 20 that are now illegal (per NPS)...
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I hiked up to this strip yesterday. It's a sweet looking spot! It say's "eat at joes" spelled out in rocks there, at the edge of the cliff.
I'm not completely certain that my 0-300 "powered" C-172 would fly off it, so I didn't try, but with a reasonably powered ship, it'd be lotsa fun!!!

Chicken Strip is in good shape - a little rolly. The palm spring has warmed up now, and is perfect IMHO. The place looks great, too.
The full moon at Saline Valley Springs was a sight to behold. The weather cool, but completely calm. Only a handfull of folks there. Extremely peaceful, and a very very special spot on the Planet.

The ridge is forecast to end tomorrow night...time to head for the home field, in a round-about sort of way. Ahh, but one last stop at another Hot Springs with a runway! And then get ready to hunker down for a stormy stretch. Enjoy, Berk
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You are killing me!

That sounds great. Wish I had been there, I need it.
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Windy

Just got back from the Saline Valley today. Highs in the low 50's, and last night was very windy. Thank god I brought extra rebar, as the wind gusts were about 40-50 knots. Not many people there this year.

The runway is fine, and the water is back up at the lower spring.
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chicken strip 1-24-07

I finally made it into the chicken strip with my little cessna 140, and my little wife, who was very brave. It was her first off-pavement landing, and my third...sure beats the six hours of bone-crushing washboard roads I endured five years ago to visit the hot springs!

Because we couldn't make it from Auburn to the Chicken Strip before the winds picked up, we flew to Stovepipe Wells and stayed the night there. FYI, the hotel/restaurant/bar at Stovepipe Wells, while very close to the runway, is of only moderate quality. Camping is definitely the way to go. There is a little general store where you can get water, food, etc., and it makes a good base for ferrying loads into the chicken strip if you're too heavy. Due to our lack of useful load and my inexperience in landing on primitive strips, we only carried survival gear and not camping gear, which meant we had to use the hotel. Yuk. Don't get to Stovepipe Wells too late...the airstrip is unlighted and exactly the same color and texture as the surrounding desert...you'll never find it in the dark.

The next morning it took us an hour to climb out of Stovepipe Wells and cross the Panamint Range before descending into the Saline Valley. I'm glad we got in when we did, as by about 1030 there was enough of an up-canyon wind that I wouldn't have tried to land on the chicken strip.

I really don't know jack-sierra about landing on primitive strips, but I would say that the chicken strip is in moderate condition. There are a lot of washboards, and some of them are rather large. I personally would be very hesitant to land a nose-wheel plane there, but again I am preaching from a vantage point of ignorance.

One thing I can say with absolute certainty is that it is wise to contact Joshua Approach Control prior to entering the MOA. I have always been rather casual about MOA's, figuring that the best pilots in the world flying the best airplanes in the world with the most sophisticated support infrastructure ever created probably already know where I am. And maybe they do, but now I'm not so sure.

After landing at the chicken strip and tying down, my wife and I started walking to the hot springs. My wife looked up and pointed to a diminutive jet in the sky. Because of how low it was, and how small it was, and how it was at an absolutely ridiculous bank-attitude, making no noise at all, I said "neat, someone has a model plane". About two seconds later a military jet flew directly over us, well below 700 feet agl, in at least a 70 degree bank, going what I would guess was in excess of 400 knots. :shock: I couldn't hear the engines until it was past us. Had I seen it in a movie I would have thought it was a poorly researched special effect.

OK, I don't really know 400 knots from 300 knots, or really even 50 degrees of bank from 80 degrees of bank, but I sure as hell do know it was carving right through the little piece of airspace I had just recently occupied at a speed and bank which absolutely negates "see and avoid". I stand very firm by my "less than 700 feet agl" observation.

This was not a one time thing, either. Over the next hour there were about eight more similar passes, all extremely low, extremely fast, and at radical angels of bank. Several of them went directly over the hot springs (and the chicken strip), as it is probably a very good landmark for the pilots. All of them carved through airspace I had recently used while sizing up the landing strip.

From a free-airshow point of view this was outstanding. But I couldn't help but wonder if there was any provision for observing civilian aircraft in the area, or if it was simply lucky timing on my part that kept us from being a grease spot on the wing of a F-16. Even if I was visible to the fighter jets' onboard radar, it's hard for me to believe anyone flying that low and that fast can do anything but look outside and stay off the rocks. Without a third party advising the jet pilots of a civilian aircraft in their flight path (which they may or may not have had), I don't see how they could possibly know I was there.

My attempt to reach Joshua Approach from the ground when we took off was unsuccessful, and once I had enough altitude to talk to them I was out of the Saline MOA, so it was a moot point. But I can guarantee I'll never go into the chicken strip without talking to them first.

Oh ya, the springs are in wonderful shape. The upper springs are nice and warm, and the lower springs are flowing, just at a reduced rate and not as warm as the upper springs.

There is "non treated" water from a cold spring which can easily be filtered or treated for drinking. We were there on a Thursday, and there were only about four other people in the valley...very nice. Tie-downs at the chicken strip are lacking, so be sure to bring enough rope that you can get creative with rock piles.
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I have got to finally get my 170 over to the chicken strip. After years of looking at it from the "less than 700 AGL" perspective, I need to actually land on it. I think RAVI in his 140 has provided me with motivation.
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