http://www.murphyair.com/

Looks like they discounted the 4 seater Super Rebel, which would have been great, but a 6 seater with a radial engine...the gearhead in me loves it but my brain can only think of the fuel costs for 9 cylinders

The sound when he guns it though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTQhyVWeMvM

(Edit: Mods, did a bit of a search but couldn't find a dedicated Murphy thread, feel free to close if unsatisfied though - don't wanna be 'that guy'!)

No worries about starting a new thread, the search is not so hot. However, I just use Google to find these older threads:

https://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/ ... rebel-5649

This is a rather epic thread with suggestions spanning the spectrum:
https://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/ ... -land-6757

There is a forum for Murphy aircraft called Murphy builders forum. google it and join. You will find all of the information you want/need. Great aircraft, but the company does a poor job of promoting it. Most of the Murphy aircraft reside in Canada, though they seem to becoming more popular in the states.

I worked for them when I first graduated from my Ame "structures" schooling... They went through some hard times a few years after I left, because of the Canadian dollar vs American dollar exchange rate.
I was down at their shop maybe a year ago, getting some parts pressed out, and it looked like they were starting to do better again. I noticed their website doesn't automatically take you to some company in Ontario anymore, which must be a good thing.

One of my friends has a rebel on amphibious floats that everyone says is a blast to fly and another guy at our airport has the maverick that Daryl was making for himself.

I like the planes other than the pop rivets but the pop rivets seem to hold up, so what do I know.

They had an issue with the factory built wings that had fuel leaks (I'm going back 10+ years). They must've fixed that issue by now.




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I camped near to one once at Marble--does that count? And yeah, that Russian radial at full power has a great sound!

Cary

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I've built several Moose, have two full time staff doing both Super Rebel and Moose projects, have ferried Moose in the US & Canada, done a number of Moose/Super Rebel pre-purchase inspections, etc. Happy to answer all questions. Email me [email protected] or 303-378-4987

I have a good friend building a Moose, and I passed your info along. While he is still happy with the purchase, he has not been happy with the kit manual/instructions and the company support. After building a Rotorway Exec he rates the Murphy manual and support pretty low on the totem pole.

Yes, the Super Rebel/Moose build manual is seriously out of date. The factory never merged the Super-Rebel to Moose update instructions into a single Moose manual, so one has to compare chapters back and forth. There are parts shown in the page 1 (of each chapter) parts diagrams that are never later referred to in the chapter instructions. There are upgraded parts (factory improvements?) that are not mentioned in the chapters. Et cetera... sigh.

I'm curious about something I noticed on a 320-powered Murphy Rebel parked overnight at my airport a while back. While it appeared to have separate flaps,& ailerons, upon closer examination they seemed to be connected to act as flaperons. The way they were connected was adjustable, these were set up to give slightly more deflection to the inboard half- perhaps so the inboard end of the wing would stall first?

These were not detached (junkers-style?) like a Kitfox. Since the inboard and outboard ends were separate parts, it seems like it would be more desirable to have them operate completely independent of each other.

hotrod180 wrote:I'm curious about something I noticed on a 320-powered Murphy Rebel parked overnight at my airport a while back. While it appeared to have separate flaps,& ailerons, upon closer examination they seemed to be connected to act as flaperons. The way they were connected was adjustable, these were set up to give slightly more deflection to the inboard half- perhaps so the inboard end of the wing would stall first?

These were not detached (junkers-style?) like a Kitfox. Since the inboard and outboard ends were separate parts, it seems like it would be more desirable to have them operate completely independent of each other.

The original Rebel design has them as full length flaperons. They look independent until you realize they are connected in the center of the wing and both move together. With the Elite came the ability to split them into flaps and ailerons. A feature that can be added onto any normal rebel as well. I have the flaperons and prefer it. This is the only area of the whole Rebel design I would change. There is quite a bit of play in the way the whole system works. It does work good, but I hate to have play and know that some parts are flexing in the system due to the load imposed in flight.

The Rebel flaperons are also controlled through a teleflex cable which adds more slop to the system. I have converted mine over to electric which moves the handle out of the equation and also takes out some of the slop. I lose the ability to pop the flaps, but it's not needed when I can get off the ground as short as I can anyways.

I was just about to start a new thread asking about a Moose and search turned up this one. Lo and behold, only started a few days ago unless something funky happened with the datestamps.

So, why aren't there more threads and discussions about the Moose? A 400hp 4 or 6 seat float plane for significantly less cost than a 185.

M-14P engine has a good reputation. TBO in experimental is 2250, runs on Mogas. Burns about 15 gallons per hour in cruise, and the cost of mogas versus 100LL makes that pretty close to the 10-12gph I've been hearing about high horsepower 180s or 185s.

I ask because I just found one for sale. I had a long chat with the owner today. 75 and retiring from flying. He has owned a Beaver, a Helio and a Husky and says the Moose was by far his favorite. It is on straight floats now but would come with wheel gear. My plan would be to fly it on wheels for a while, then look at amphibs.

My mission can best be described as floats or fat tires with the capacity to haul 4 people and significant camping/hunting gear. I was thinking 180 but that is looking like too much weight. Nice (but not awesome) 185s are mostly around the $150k mark.

I'm surprised there have been so few mentions of this airplane on BCP and am curious why.

I will be emailing Mr. Waltman to ask his opinions.

albravo wrote:So, why aren't there more threads and discussions about the Moose? A 400hp 4 or 6 seat float plane for significantly less cost than a 185.

Because those who need this kind of utility and performance are usually commercial operators, and the Moose is not certified. The Beaver has a significant hourly rate attached to its operation, so when they're flying they're working. I imagine someone with deep pockets would enjoy the Moose.

Timberwolf wrote:The original Rebel design has them as full length flaperons. They look independent until you realize they are connected in the center of the wing and both move together. With the Elite came the ability to split them into flaps and ailerons. A feature that can be added onto any normal rebel as well. I have the flaperons and prefer it. This is the only area of the whole Rebel design I would change. There is quite a bit of play in the way the whole system works. It does work good, but I hate to have play and know that some parts are flexing in the system due to the load imposed in flight.
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It sounds a lot like the flaperon system that was installed on the Victa Airtourer (old military training aircraft in the Australasian region). They get really sloppy by the time they are worn out.

There is a Super Rebel 2500 which I see at a lot of our regular AOPA fly-in events, I haven't flown in it yet but I've had a darn good look around it, worked all the controls etc. I recall they did have flaperons on the Super Rebel, but this one's owner didn't care for them and had disabled them. I think maybe he talked about free-play in the system, or perhaps it was control forces or stall characteristics. I can't recall.

I am pretty impressed with the aircraft itself, and apart from the gear I would certainly have one if I truly needed a 6 seater.

Of course they are like a C185 in many ways (apart from their design), I mean they are more like a C185 than a Bearhawk / Maule - they are larger, heavier, and need more room to take off compared to a pure-play 4 place STOL machine. But not a lot more room / weight. Very similar to a C185 in terms of their ability to fill a role.

The Moose is of course bigger and stronger again, and I assume it's somewhere in between a C815 and a Beaver.

Zz, saw your paging mjwings. In the backcountry wilds of Utah with the Carbob Cub this week. Looks like the pros have it covered. I love my Rebel!

In the interest of board hygiene, I’m resurrecting this thread instead of starting a new one.

Does anyone know anything about the Murphy Radical? I sat in it at OSH and talked to them a little, but I wonder if anyone here is building one, has flown one, etc.

I’ve been watching the RANS S-21 with interest, but their delivery dates are getting farther and farther out and they still haven’t flown an actual 21 with the Titan engine. I want to build an airplane now to fly in retirement, not buy a kit now to build in retirement!

In very basic terms the Radical is an updated or rather a modernized Rebel/Elite. I looked it over pretty thuroughly at Oshkosh also. I really liked it and if I didn't already have an unfinished Rebel, would have probably given the Radical some serious consideration.

I'm a die-hard Rebel fan, even though I have a RANS S-7, and flew the newer S-21, I prefer the Rebel. Murphy planes seem to be built fairly rugged. Sure are a bunch of them flying in Canada.

Canadian's have this weird habit of trying to buy Canadian, I know we're a strange animal some days !!!

StuBob, unless I missed something, it's a pretty new airframe (the Murphy Radical).
Worth waiting to see, but I would be surprised if there are many people using them yet.
Might be worth contacting Murphy directly to see if they can put you onto a reference customer to talk with.