Right or wrong, I refuse to click on anything put out by Gryder. He is a tool, I have no use for him.

G44 wrote:“Seems egotistical ass ish to imply this guy is wrong just because you don't like him???? “


I didn’t see anywhere where Mike (MTV) said this guy was wrong, from what I read he was highlighting some of this fellows background and experience or lack of.

Seems like he’s casting shade on the message because of the messenger

Mikes posted some good stuff and his knowledge is one of the reasons I’ve been on here for as long as I have.

Folks who put it all out there on YouTube or the like and are under a microscope, yet still call it the way they see it, we need more of that today, also as far as picking apart histories, well there by the grace of god go I/you

His logic and points were sound, he put together a good and thought out piece, and that’s all I care about when it comes to this instance, maybe I won’t send him a Christmas basket, but I appreciate him making that video and I find his logic on this sound

StillLearning wrote:Right or wrong, I refuse to click on anything put out by Gryder. He is a tool, I have no use for him.

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What Kurt said. By publishing a link to this guy's you tube channel, you're promoting him and his line of nonsense.

I don't presume to know what happened with that Otter. And I damn sure am NOT going to pretend to be an expert on this terrible accident.

I don't always buy what the NTSB puts out either, but at least they USUALLY actually do some specific research.

All I'm saying here is please don't promote Gryder.

If you all want to speculate on what happened to those folks, have at it. I choose not to.

Thanks,
MTV

mtv wrote:What Kurt said. By publishing a link to this guy's you tube channel, you're promoting him and his line of nonsense.

I don't presume to know what happened with that Otter. And I damn sure am NOT going to pretend to be an expert on this terrible accident.

I don't always buy what the NTSB puts out either, but at least they USUALLY actually do some specific research.

All I'm saying here is please don't promote Gryder.

If you all want to speculate on what happened to those folks, have at it. I choose not to.

Thanks,
MTV

What did he say on that video that was nonsense?

NineThreeKilo wrote:

mtv wrote:What Kurt said. By publishing a link to this guy's you tube channel, you're promoting him and his line of nonsense.

I don't presume to know what happened with that Otter. And I damn sure am NOT going to pretend to be an expert on this terrible accident.

I don't always buy what the NTSB puts out either, but at least they USUALLY actually do some specific research.

All I'm saying here is please don't promote Gryder.

If you all want to speculate on what happened to those folks, have at it. I choose not to.

Thanks,
MTV

What did he say on that video that was nonsense?

He has done NO research, he has not seen the subject aircraft wreckage, he's never flown an Otter, and maybe not a deHavilland product,
and apparently you cannot read and comprehend what I've written prior.
MTV

mtv wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:

mtv wrote:What Kurt said. By publishing a link to this guy's you tube channel, you're promoting him and his line of nonsense.

I don't presume to know what happened with that Otter. And I damn sure am NOT going to pretend to be an expert on this terrible accident.

I don't always buy what the NTSB puts out either, but at least they USUALLY actually do some specific research.

All I'm saying here is please don't promote Gryder.

If you all want to speculate on what happened to those folks, have at it. I choose not to.

Thanks,
MTV

What did he say on that video that was nonsense?

He has done NO research, he has not seen the subject aircraft wreckage, he's never flown an Otter, and maybe not a deHavilland product,
and apparently you cannot read and comprehend what I've written prior.
MTV

In the video he clearly did in-fact research other very similar otter crashes

As for not being there and not having flown the make model, I can’t even count all the NTSBs where they don’t go to the scene

You are right, I don’t comprehend your thought process on dismissing that video

I don’t know that guy from Jack, and as I don’t do social media/google accounts so I couldn’t “like and subscribe” anyway, but I think disregarding a well thought out theory just because you don’t like the guy isn’t ideal ether

NineThreeKilo wrote:
In the video he clearly did in-fact research other very similar otter crashes

As for not being there and not having flown the make model, I can’t even count all the NTSBs where they don’t go to the scene

You are right, I don’t comprehend your thought process on dismissing that video

I don’t know that guy from Jack, and as I don’t do social media/google accounts so I couldn’t “like and subscribe” anyway, but I think disregarding a well thought out theory just because you don’t like the guy isn’t ideal ether

Right on!^^^^

Ya I would bet none of the NTSB investigators have any time in an Otter.

Could it be MTV's ego may be a little threatened???

Gryder could be right, but he might not be. I have seen enough of his videos to know that I personally can’t listen to him.
Maybe I’m missing an opportunity to learn from this guy? One think I can learn from him is how NOT to present oneself. He comes across to me like a know it all ass.
I’ll wait for the official report. It’s not like knowing the exact cause will change my life at all. Probably won’t affect most people praising Gryder in this thread either.

StillLearning wrote:Gryder could be right, but he might not be. I have seen enough of his videos to know that I personally can’t listen to him.
Maybe I’m missing an opportunity to learn from this guy? One think I can learn from him is how NOT to present oneself. He comes across to me like a know it all ass.
I’ll wait for the official report. It’s not like knowing the exact cause will change my life at all. Probably won’t affect most people praising Gryder in this thread either.

Depends if you fly seaplanes and how involved in the industry you are, for me I like to be aware of things going on with the current fleet, I can’t afford that DILLIGAF stance on these types of things

We all have different levels of intestinal fortitude, when it comes to critical information he could be Satan and Hitler’s love child for all I care, I just want the nugget of truth, the info, or as the kids call it “the deets”, his comparison with past crashes was VERY interesting, for me these matters ain’t a congeniality contest, it’s just who has the best and most logical path

As for “official reports” I’ve seen enough that they don’t hold as much weight as they used to, some are good, some are trash, met enough GS types that I see how some great, but some just eeerk it out till the pension. I take the NTSB findings the same as I take any other humans findings, there is good info and sometimes not so good info, good data point, but the word of god they are not


I would say separate your feelings from the facts, watch the video and comment on his theories, if you’re able, whatever discomfort you feel watching the man talk is nothing compared to helping understand the cause of a horrific floatplane crash, for a back country pilot type person I’d think that would be important, especially if you care enough to click this topic in the first place

So, are you guys actually interested in what happened in that event, or just what your hero Gryder THINKS happened?

MTV

mtv wrote:So, are you guys actually interested in what happened in that event, or just what your hero Gryder THINKS happened?

MTV

For the third(ish) time I don’t care about the YouTube person personally one way or another

AOA, gravity and energy don’t care about our feelings, we should be interested in logic and facts, his analysis of prior otter crashes follow a VERY similar logically sound path to this unfortunate deadly crash, that is the ONLY reason I posted that video

Separate feelings from facts? Gryders OPINION is far from fact, it’s speculation.

I’ll pass on the insults. Just because I don’t worship the poorly delivered, holier than thou speculation doesn’t mean I don’t learn or care.

I’ve run into guys like Gryder in real life, there is so much chaff in what they say and how they say it that the wheat isn’t worth the torment.

The people in life that I’ve found truly capable and intelligent have never been the ones telling you how capable and intelligent they are.

Yes, I do fly floats, and skis and lots of other stuff. I don’t need the condescending tone that somehow since I don’t revere your “expert” that I’m somehow less of a backcountry pilot. If you want to worship Gryder and his speculation, go for it.

There’s an avweb article. That doesn’t scream credibility to me.

https://www.avweb.com/news/pilot-arrest ... -incident/

StillLearning wrote:Separate feelings from facts? Gryders OPINION is far from fact, it’s speculation.

I’ll pass on the insults. Just because I don’t worship the poorly delivered, holier than thou speculation doesn’t mean I don’t learn or care.

I’ve run into guys like Gryder in real life, there is so much chaff in what they say and how they say it that the wheat isn’t worth the torment.

The people in life that I’ve found truly capable and intelligent have never been the ones telling you how capable and intelligent they are.

Yes, I do fly floats, and skis and lots of other stuff. I don’t need the condescending tone that somehow since I don’t revere your “expert” that I’m somehow less of a backcountry pilot. If you want to worship Gryder and his speculation, go for it.

You seem sensitive, honestly I don’t know what to say

You do know the NTSB is also speculation, as I don’t know of a single NTSB accident were the investigator was in the airplane on the comms with the pilot when it went in, 99% of all of this is a educated guess regardless of the title of the human

I don’t believe in “experts” I just go off who is backed by the most logic and common sense and what follows along that line, if the YouTuber got hit by a bus or won the lotto tonight I’d walk my dog just the same

I do however think you are less of a pilot if you disregard a logical opinion of tail feather failure due to corrosion, just because you don’t like someone’s “tone” that’s silly emotions

slow18 wrote:There’s an avweb article. That doesn’t scream credibility to me.

https://www.avweb.com/news/pilot-arrest ... -incident/

What does that have to do with anything?


What points in the video I linked to did you take issue with and why?


Seriously this is like talking to some high school girls, you want to base your opinions on a ton of unchecked emotion and how popular the speaker is????

no bueno

NineThreeKilo wrote:

slow18 wrote:There’s an avweb article. That doesn’t scream credibility to me.

https://www.avweb.com/news/pilot-arrest ... -incident/

What does that have to do with anything?


What points in the video I linked to did you take issue with and why?


Seriously this is like talking to some high school girls, you want to base your opinions on a ton of unchecked emotion and how popular the speaker is????

no bueno

Not a fan of DG but I do glean a informative morsel from him now and again. Its just perspective as with all the YouTube experts and how you take it is up to you. I’m just not a fan of his delivery. Blanco? pretty much spews the same info as DG but his delivery is much more…….humble than the other guy. Is DG right on his assumptions?…anyone can research what he did on a internet search engine and come up with the same conclusion. We may never know what happened.

You seem like a well informed aviation professional and enthusiast but your delivery is condescending and reeks of ego. It seems to piss you off when a person (some cases “maybe” wanna be expert at a keyboard) disagrees with your opinion. If you have that much accomplishment and knowledge then it should be no problem to state your opinion and leave it at that. Should have no problem saying DILLIGAF at an opposing post and move on. I was raised with big egos and have one as well…..that’s what I do.


Amusing reading the back and forth here thou.

Always interesting to see what gets people to post. If this started as a question, it would be Cunningham's Law exemplified. How long until we achieve Godwin's Law?

I wish there was as much enthusiasm for writing original, creative stories for this site.

mtv wrote:So, are you guys actually interested in what happened in that event, or just what your hero Gryder THINKS happened?

MTV

Do tell.
I do want to know.
What happened???

TangoFox wrote:

mtv wrote:So, are you guys actually interested in what happened in that event, or just what your hero Gryder THINKS happened?

MTV

Do tell.
I do want to know.
What happened???

Don't ask me....I'm waiting for someone who actually knows something to try and figure it out. And, that's not going to happen until or unless they actually recover that airplane.

So, lob a few more insults out there if it makes you feel superior.....

MTV