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Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

mtv wrote:A pilot who believes that visibility in smoke will remain consistent is bound to be disappointed one of these days.

If you are flying a considerable distance from the source of the smoke, the visibility tends to even out, and be generally fairly consistent.....did I use enough qualifiers there? #-o

But, if there's a fire closer, visibility can change very quickly from a few miles visibility to near zero visibility in no time at all. And, depending on where you're at when that happens, it can be a deeply moving religious experience.

For twenty seasons, I worked from Fairbanks to the north, most days, including in the big fire seasons of 1988 and 2004. In 88, I started attending the morning fire briefing on Fort Wainwright to get a better sense of where the fires were, and how active. Also, where crews were working the fires.

For perspective, that was the year that Yellowstone burned. In that season, fires burned ~ 770,000 acres. The media went nuts. Before any of those fires started, we'd burned 1.2 million acres just on the area that I worked on in Alaska, the Yukon Flats. Just one of those fires burned 1.1 million acres, part on and off the Refuge.

And, we had fires most years, some worse than others. I saw pretty much every flavor of smoke phenomena I can imagine, and several I couldn't imagine.

I tried filing IFR, which worked for a while, till one day I was headed north and Departure Control called to give me a frequency change, and asked if I was aware of the thunderstorm cell ahead of me. I replied that I wasn't, and asked where it was.....radar replied it was at 12 o'clock and four miles......

I requested a 180 and return to FAI.

I spent so much time during those summers scud running through the White Mountains and over the Yukon Flats......oh, and getting from the White Mountains south to Fairbanks in the afternoons.....at 100 feet, ground contact and maybe a mile visibility.

Then again, I was getting paid to get the work done.

It was always with mixed emotion for me when the "monsoon" rains started in mid to late July in the interior. It put out the fires, but then the scud running continued under very low ceilings and visibility......

I have to agree with a comment that Hammer made, regarding sun angle and smoke. Changing sun angle can dramatically change visibility in smoke, an interesting and potentially frightening phenomenon.

One day I was headed north out of FAI to meet a helicopter which was helping move crews on the Flats. I was to meet him at a certain lake, and pick up his crew to move them to a different lake. Fort Yukon, where the helicopter was based, was giving 3 miles vis. Fairbanks was clear, but I knew there was smoke to the north.

As I'm slithering down Beaver Creek through the White Mountains, the helicopter pilot called on FM and informed me that he was returning to Fort Yukon because the visibility was down to 1/4 mile where he was.

So, I turned around in the canyon, to head back to FAI. And, the visibility went from a mile and a half or so to nil, as the sun angle I was seeing changed. I did another 180 in the canyon, and considered my options. So, being very familiar with the mountain to my right (I did Dall's Sheep surveys in these mountains each fall), I opted to initiate a climb, following the side of the mountain up to it's summit at about 6000 feet. I called for a pop up IFR clearance and continued the climb to 8000 feet, turned around and returned to FAI IFR. I broke out of the goo about ten north of FAI.

The other phenomenon that can be sneaky is when the sky is smoky, the smoke settles over night as the atmosphere cools. As the sun warms the earth and air, the smoke becomes less dense, but the top of the smoke goes higher. There were times when I went north over the top of the early morning smoke, which was settled in the valleys. But, coming back in the PM, the tops were much higher.

And, here's the sneaky part: In the afternoon, you look up, and you see blue sky above. You assume that you can easily climb up to that clear sky and get above the smoke. So, you initiate a climb......and climb.....and climb. And, up around 12,000 feet, you realize you're not getting on top of this stuff. Oh, and by the way, you've now lost ground contact. You are officially in IMC.

And, of course, there's more. Bottom line: I don't fly in smoke voluntarily, unless it's more like a light haze.

Oh, yeah, and watch out for those TFRs. They too can bite you.

MTV


I remember that summer. I was working on my PPL in Grand Junction, CO. The tanker base there was busy loading old Navy P2 fire bombers that were ferrying all the way to Yellowstone for the fire they let get out of control before they decided to do something about it. Crazy expensive.
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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

So you're vfr in smoke reduced visibility conditions. What about the guy coming the other way who can't see that well either?
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dlhanst wrote:So you're vfr in smoke reduced visibility conditions. What about the guy coming the other way who can't see that well either?


It's an increased risk that both pilots agreed to when they took off.

Turn on your lights, get flight following if it's available, make position reports IF they're relevant, adhere to VFR cruising altitudes, have any and all passengers scanning for traffic, and take your chances.
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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

And stay on the right side of the canyon/river/highway.

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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

I recall many members here discounting the advantages of having additional traffic information through ADS-B, and that pilots are better off with the standard see and avoid. My personal experience is that see and avoid works better when augmented with a hint of where to start looking. This is what makes flight following in radar areas so valuable. I see and avoid plenty of aircraft that don’t have ADS-B, but sometimes they aren’t talking to me or sometimes the visibility significantly reduces amount of time to pick someone up especially if there is direct head-on closure. I’m a fan of ADS-B in case you didn’t pick that up. If everyone flying in low-visibility smokey conditions had ADS-B, avoidance would be made slightly easier in my opinion, even if you never saw the other aircraft.
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Squash wrote:I recall many members here discounting the advantages of having additional traffic information through ADS-B, and that pilots are better off with the standard see and avoid. My personal experience is that see and avoid works better when augmented with a hint of where to start looking. This is what makes flight following in radar areas so valuable. I see and avoid plenty of aircraft that don’t have ADS-B, but sometimes they aren’t talking to me or sometimes the visibility significantly reduces amount of time to pick someone up especially if there is direct head-on closure. I’m a fan of ADS-B in case you didn’t pick that up. If everyone flying in low-visibility smokey conditions had ADS-B, avoidance would be made slightly easier in my opinion, even if you never saw the other aircraft.


Greg,

I don’t disagree that, with good discipline, having ADS-B In May be a good tool in smoke or other obscurations. But to me, to be really useful, you need a fairly large screen for the map and traffic display. As in a multi function display. Trying to figure out traffic on a Garmin 6XX portable is tougher. Audio alerts would be even better.

Another concern in smoke is a lot of head movement, switching from windscreen to display and back. How do you spell vertigo. My eyes are outside in bad vis, especially if it’s changing. But again, an audio alert for traffic could be useful.

And, yes, I’ve flown with Capstone in western AK and with ADS-B in on large multi function displays in high traffic areas.

One nice thing about flying in crappy visibility is it tends to keep the casual aviators at home. Less traffic to worry about, at least.

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One mile and a quarter in FAI.

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Wish you guys would keep your smoke in Alaska. We're getting it blowing in here in NW BC and it's miserable. Less than a mile visibility today and been that way for a few days now.
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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

mtv wrote:
Squash wrote:I recall many members here discounting the advantages of having additional traffic information through ADS-B, and that pilots are better off with the standard see and avoid. My personal experience is that see and avoid works better when augmented with a hint of where to start looking. This is what makes flight following in radar areas so valuable. I see and avoid plenty of aircraft that don’t have ADS-B, but sometimes they aren’t talking to me or sometimes the visibility significantly reduces amount of time to pick someone up especially if there is direct head-on closure. I’m a fan of ADS-B in case you didn’t pick that up. If everyone flying in low-visibility smokey conditions had ADS-B, avoidance would be made slightly easier in my opinion, even if you never saw the other aircraft.


Greg,

I don’t disagree that, with good discipline, having ADS-B In May be a good tool in smoke or other obscurations. But to me, to be really useful, you need a fairly large screen for the map and traffic display. As in a multi function display. Trying to figure out traffic on a Garmin 6XX portable is tougher. Audio alerts would be even better.

Another concern in smoke is a lot of head movement, switching from windscreen to display and back. How do you spell vertigo. My eyes are outside in bad vis, especially if it’s changing. But again, an audio alert for traffic could be useful.

And, yes, I’ve flown with Capstone in western AK and with ADS-B in on large multi function displays in high traffic areas.

One nice thing about flying in crappy visibility is it tends to keep the casual aviators at home. Less traffic to worry about, at least.

MTV


Good points. I would not recommend anyone who has difficulty looking at their screen or losing control of their aircraft by becoming disoriented while looking inside the cockpit. I would say that if the weather is truly that bad, and one is at risk of developing vertigo, that is a dangerous situation and honestly, I would be considering transitioning to emergency mode and my attention would shift from outside to inside focusing on the primary flight instruments. But I know what you mean.

Let me take another stab at this since I have nice big visual traffic presentations and feel comfortable balancing the information presented with the workload of controlling the plane. If everyone else just had ADS-B out, I could use that additional information to help avoid conflicts. I don't really care if anyone has ADS-B in. That sounded a bit selfish, but it's sort of the truth.
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mtv wrote:
Squash wrote:I recall many members here discounting the advantages of having additional traffic information through ADS-B, and that pilots are better off with the standard see and avoid. My personal experience is that see and avoid works better when augmented with a hint of where to start looking. This is what makes flight following in radar areas so valuable. I see and avoid plenty of aircraft that don’t have ADS-B, but sometimes they aren’t talking to me or sometimes the visibility significantly reduces amount of time to pick someone up especially if there is direct head-on closure. I’m a fan of ADS-B in case you didn’t pick that up. If everyone flying in low-visibility smokey conditions had ADS-B, avoidance would be made slightly easier in my opinion, even if you never saw the other aircraft.


Greg,

I don’t disagree that, with good discipline, having ADS-B In May be a good tool in smoke or other obscurations. But to me, to be really useful, you need a fairly large screen for the map and traffic display. As in a multi function display. Trying to figure out traffic on a Garmin 6XX portable is tougher. Audio alerts would be even better.

Another concern in smoke is a lot of head movement, switching from windscreen to display and back. How do you spell vertigo. My eyes are outside in bad vis, especially if it’s changing. But again, an audio alert for traffic could be useful.

And, yes, I’ve flown with Capstone in western AK and with ADS-B in on large multi function displays in high traffic areas.

One nice thing about flying in crappy visibility is it tends to keep the casual aviators at home. Less traffic to worry about, at least.

MTV


Good points. I would not recommend anyone who has difficulty looking at their screen or losing control of their aircraft by becoming disoriented while looking inside the cockpit. I would say that if the weather is truly that bad, and one is at risk of developing vertigo, that is a dangerous situation and honestly, I would be considering transitioning to emergency mode and my attention would shift from outside to inside focusing on the primary flight instruments. But I know what you mean.

Let me take another stab at this since I have nice big visual traffic presentations and feel comfortable balancing the information presented with the workload of controlling the plane. If everyone else just had ADS-B out, I could use that additional information to help avoid conflicts. I don't really care if anyone has ADS-B in. That sounded a bit selfish, but it's sort of the truth.


Greg,
I don't think that sounds selfish at all. In fact, that's precisely why I opted to install a Skybeacon on my wing tip, even though I don't have ADS-B In. I'm hoping that the folks stooging around the countryside with "In" might just be alerted to my presence and avoid me.

Not that I'm anti social, mind you. 8)

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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

Funny. In my perfect world, everyone would have ADS-B out and I would have in. In yours everyone would have in and you would have out. Either way, it works!
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Re: Flying in smoke/smokey haze- safe or not?

I suspect that flying into smoke and poor visibility is what got my dad. He had waited several days for the trip and was close to the destination, perhaps some get-there-itis. The plane hit the trees at a shallow angle suggesting that he was trying to get down to see the ground out in the that very flat nothing to hit Tanana Flats. We suspect he either flew into more dense smoke or some low clouds that were obscured by smoke. Anyway it always seems to look better on the ground. In Fairbanks yesterday we were watching the sun go behind an invisible to us cloud that was obscured by smoke. That could totally ruin your day.
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jprax wrote:I suspect that flying into smoke and poor visibility is what got my dad. He had waited several days for the trip and was close to the destination, perhaps some get-there-itis. The plane hit the trees at a shallow angle suggesting that he was trying to get down to see the ground out in the that very flat nothing to hit Tanana Flats. We suspect he either flew into more dense smoke or some low clouds that were obscured by smoke. Anyway it always seems to look better on the ground. In Fairbanks yesterday we were watching the sun go behind an invisible to us cloud that was obscured by smoke. That could totally ruin your day.


And that’s perhaps the worst part of flying in smoke: The restricted visibility from smoke can and does hide things that can kill you. Slogging along in limited vis and suddenly, you’re somewhere you really don’t want to be.

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