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Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:24 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

A1Skinner,
" I have to ask all the Maule drivers a question. If Maules are so great, why do you see so few at Valdez? Or maybe there is more then shown on the videos that I have seen."

AK-Hunt etal, FYI
Much has to do with economics. New C182 aileron $5800, Maule aileron $880.

Now, Valdez. Maule have won their class and placed there and also previously when at Gulkana.
I visit Valdez each year and there are usually up to half a dozen.

Consider that, There have been but 2600 total Maules built from 1963 incorporating over 42 different airframe, wing, engine landing gear configurations. M4, M5, M6, MX7, M7, M8, M9, MXT7, MT7.
Horsepowers of 145, 160, 180, 200, 210, 210 turbo, 220, 230 diesel turbo, 235, 250 turbo, 260, 420 turbine, There was even a rotax version and originally a Henderson motorcycle engine in M1.
BD and June Maule did a tremendous job.
I think there are about 6193 C180 built and many more SuperCubs, so one would hope the numbers seen around, to be much much greater.
These numbers are not including C120, 140, 170, 185, 195 and the trigear equivalents to Maule trigears.
Hope that explains a bit.
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Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:25 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

The only thing that keeps me from ever putting my 180 just about anywhere I want is the gear.
Granted they're tough (reference sloppy landing at Texas STOL) it's not that type of "rough" landing that worries me. It's the hidden holes or rocks in the grass that worry me. Actually I guess it's not the gear that keep me from going places but more my wallet. Since if I break it, I have to fix it... Can't tell you how many times I've passed on landing somewhere I'm 99% sure it'll all be ok just because I didn't want to risk shearing the gear off. Not quite as worried in a cub style gear set up.
So could someone please make a tube and fabric 180 with cub/ maule type gear... (;
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Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:14 pm

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:07 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Take a look at the Bearhawk. About the same capabilities as the Cessna 180. Interior is not quite as large., but great payload and short field airplane. I have made several backcountry camping trips with Pat Fagan in his BH, and the performance and utility are very impressive. My dream airplane, but lost my medical.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:27 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Ah economics. So we are all choosing to run inferior aircraft that cost 3 times as much….. Thats insane but - it is the internet…..

I'd run a couple if I could. I don't give a hoot who makes the aircraft. I'm supporting my family. Thats it.
Its a tool. I'd certainly like to not buy Cessna parts. I'd prefer running a 540 too. Thats generally the idea, but can't speak for others I guess.

They won't do what a 185 or re-powered 180 (or 206 for that mission but kinda apples/oranges) will do otherwise all the guys who make a living doing it would own one. Economics.
Good for "less that skywagon but more than cub" mission but thats a small mission. The guys who do that have Maules. Makes sense.

The flying for fun on the weekend stuff, debate on. I'll leave ya to it. I thought it reasonable to look what the guys who use them every day to make a living do.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:21 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

For what it's worth... I owned a 2002 MX7180 Maule for 10 years and about 1000 hours of flying. I found the plane to be rugged, forgiving in the air, easy and cheep to maintain! They are slow and steady and a hoot to fly in the back-country. Great Planes for sure!

I've got less than 100 hours in a 180/182 (mostly 182). They are a little faster, a little more expensive to maintain, easier to land and a lot more sexy! Great planes!!!

I sold my Maule because (after literally thousands of landings), I never felt proficient landing the damn thing. No matter how much training, now matter how many stop & go's, it would always try to bite me... So I gave her up! I would definitely own another in a nose dragger configuration.

I miss the back country and can't let myself get dirt on the V35B... But I'll own another back-country bird at some point! I'm thinking a 182 or a 206... We shall see!

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Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:38 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Jim did you ever fly a long-wing? I belive your 180 M7 had the universal, right?
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:27 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Do I understand correctly that the difference between Maule long wing and universal wing is only 3" of length each side (same aerofoil)?

Universal 32'11"
Long wing 33'5"
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:29 pm

Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

The long wing is 33'8". Universal is 32'11". Same airfoil with a difference of 3.6 sq ft of wing area. A big difference is flap length. Universal has a 114 5/8" flap and long wing has 126" flap.
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:05 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Hey Soy - I think mine was the long wing.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:13 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

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Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:19 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Jaudette, a 2002 MX7-180 would have been a universal 32'11" wing.
The long wing was only on M7-235 from 1984 to 1993. Some of which have had larger ailerons added and become M7-235A
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:21 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Ok then! It was the universal wing!!!

Whatever it was, I never wanted for lift and the darn thing could sure fly slow!!!!

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Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:45 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

A little birdie told me that Maule has recently started making the long wings again - and will install them on M7 and M6's.
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:29 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

soyAnarchisto wrote:A little birdie told me that Maule has recently started making the long wings again - and will install them on M7 and M6's.


Did you find one yet Soy? Whats your plan?
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:47 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Still looking for my unicorn. No pressure unless my cub sells itself - which has come close to happening and is a very real possibility.
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Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:42 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Ok cool, I'll continue to keep my eye open for one for you.
Good luck with the search.
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Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:18 am

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

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Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:13 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

Ok,

I have read All the posts, I own the 180, been in a few Maules and have another twist. There is one plane that is better than both!!!

Super Stinson, preferably a 0-360 200hp version makes an awesome plane. These are very under rated and cheaper than the Maule or 180.

I have flown the Stinson on wheels and floats and it is amazing!

Sorry to launch the bomb...
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Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:30 pm

Re: Flying & owning a Maule Long wing vs Cesna 180

mountainwagon wrote:Here is an opinion and experience that most would not or may not be able to do. In doing it this way you learn more about the aircraft and why you wanted it and why you may not need it.
I was able to own a long wing M-7-235. I owned three other Maule's also. I owned a Cessna 180H and several other Cessna's also.
I was able to have the Long wing parked next to a 180H and jump from one to the other and fly them both the same day.
I was able to experience the build up and repair and finding parts and see how it's made and put together on the M-7-235.
I was able to experience the build up and repair and finding parts and see how it's made and put together on a 180H.
I was able to sell both and experience the market for them.
I really loved Maule's and started " Just buy a Maule" years back. A maule is not a 180 and never will be and they are different in many ways and would take a lot of typing to spell it out. A Cessna 180 will never have a few things a maule has and you have to have both and build up both to know what I mean.
For the cost of either one needing the airplane or just wanting one will come into play. Both aircraft flew different in there own way's. A maule is like a Mr. potato head, same basic fuselage with different wings, controls and engines. A Cessna had different models and all models had various changes throughout the years. The 180 being one with a lot of changes you may not know about until you build one, find parts for one do research on one and fly a so called early light one to later H,J,and K models. I would stay away from the first year's of the 180, the cost is not much different and there are benefit's in later 1950's models when you get down to it, Don't settle on either airplane do your research.
Final conclusion for the value end of it.
22 year old Long wing Maule M-7-235 over 1000TT Really nice airplane sold just under 90K
50 year old Cessna 180H just over 3000TT Really nice airplane sold just over 100K
So, which one would I choose? :roll:


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