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Fraser Farmers Western British Columbia Trip

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cbfraser wrote:The majority of British Columbians want to end all forms of grizzly bear hunting, according to a new poll.

According to an Insights West poll – commissioned by Lush Cosmetics and the Commercial Bear Viewing Association – 74 per cent of people are in favour of the B.C. government banning all hunting of grizzly bears in the province.

Nineteen per cent were opposed.

The new NDP government announced in August it would outlaw the killing of the bears for trophies starting spring 2018.

And while 88 per cent of people polled support the move, Insights West vice president Mario Canseco said there’s clearly an appetite among the public for government to go even further.

“I wasn’t expecting as high a level of support to banning all kinds of grizzly bear hunting as what we saw,” the pollster told Metro. “I thought maybe this had more to do with the trophy aspect but now I’m starting to realize, looking at the numbers, it’s ultimately about the bears. There are a lot of people asking why we’re hunting grizzly bears. They’re looking at [banning] the trophy hunt as the first step to an eventual ban on all grizzly hunting.”

Even among the hunters that were polled, Insights West found 71 per cent support for the government’s ban on trophy hunting, and 58 per cent in favour of banning the hunting of the animal altogether.

I wasn't really hoping to make a thread about the grizzly controversy but I guess I opened myself up for this when I responded to albravo.
What you've quoted here is, in my opinion, the very essence of lobbying. Two groups who are very much on the anti-hunting side of the issue pay an organization for a poll that says British Columbians agree with them, then publish it as fact. I could produce this same result for you by heading straight into the urban centers (where most people have never even seen a grizzly) and asking some leading questions. As for the hunters being against the grizzly hunt, how large was the sample size of supposed hunters? What level of hunting experience? Are we talking someone in a thoroughly urban environment who went hunting with a family member once as a child? I have serious doubts that this poll was a true cross section of BC and even if it was one of the problems is the weighting of population toward urban people who don't live with wildlife and have no stake in this declaring what's right and wrong for people who do deal with bears regularly. There were many polls of varying value done in the years leading up to this and I can't recall ever seeing a result that resembled this. I submit that I could get the opposite result by heading up into an area like Burns Lake and polling there.
I personally don't mind bringing out the meat, I would have anyway, I'd like to be able to keep the hide as well though. My biggest problem with this though is that we've given a toe hold to the anti-hunting lobby and we've allowed emotion and the manipulation of it to win the day. With an estimated population of some 15,000 grizzlies in the province and an annual harvest of between 250 and 300 bears it can't be said that hunting was doing any damage to bear numbers. Conflicts between bear tourism and hunting have been extremely rare. During these debates when the antis were losing the argument on science they argued that we needed to set science and facts aside and decide with emotion. What you have is a group of people who just can't stand the idea that somewhere, somebody might be hunting a grizzly bear even though it has no bearing on their life or activities. Yes it's rough for that bear that's being hunted, about the same as it's rough for that cow whose steaks you ate last night. All this to say that I'm always against busy bodies trying to restrict someone else's fun just because they don't like it. This isn't isolated to hunting either, you need only look as far as back country aviation to see the same thing, we just about lost access to all BC Parks in the 90's, also during an NDP government. I say never give an inch to these kind of people because it won't stop here. They're already calling for an end to the spring black bear hunt.
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Well said Fraser Farmer
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I'm with you, excellent reply.
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When politicians start governing by poll instead of rationalizing decisions with input from stakeholders, democracy is compromised. Too many people who don't know the facts and respond to pollsters with their hearts instead of their brains are causing great harm to the world. Politicians should filter these polls, but they don't.

The problem we have is too many humans on this planet, way out of proportion to the other creatures we're sharing it with.
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Sorry, I lost track of this thread. Out hunting, ironically.

Totally agree with Fraser Farmer. A hunting poll commissioned by Lush Cosmetics that concluded we shouldn't be shooting animals??? LMFAO!

In my mind, there are two aspects to this:
1) Personally, I believe the scientists that say there is a solid scientific conservationist basis for the grizzly hunt. I don't believe scientists that say grizzly populations are declining and we should stop killing them. To be clear, both groups exists, I'm just saying which group I believe.
2) Grizzlies need a fear of humans or we are just another meatsicle to them. It might be the circles I run in, but I'm hearing about more and more grizzly attacks than ever before. There are many that never make the press.
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Got out for a little more fishing today. Won't be long until all the mountain lakes have frozen up for the winter. Fishing was slow but the flying was fun.
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Fraser Farmer wrote:Got out for a little more fishing today. Won't be long until all the mountain lakes have frozen up for the winter. Fishing was slow but the flying was fun.
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Fraser Farmer wrote:Got out for a little more fishing today. Won't be long until all the mountain lakes have frozen up for the winter. Fishing was slow but the flying was fun.
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Thanks for the kind words guys. Here's a couple more pics.
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Thanks!!!!
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Been a while since I added anything here. We're having beautiful weather lately so I took the kids up Harrison Lake for the day on Sunday. Went to one of my favourite spots there from when I was a kid. Had a fire and some hotdogs and the kids went climbing around on the rocks. Really nice docks but not the greatest for float planes.
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Also here's a few pics from fishing in Tweedsmuir last Spring. These are Rainbow Trout and I'm fishing with my Dad and my daughter. Good trip with some great fishing and plenty of interesting weather. On the way in we flew up the coast through Bella Bella/Shearwater, fueled up and had lunch, then we flew up the Dean Channel and up to Kimsquit and up the Kimsquit River and over the pass into Tweedsmuir. We enjoyed three beautiful days on the lake pulling in big Rainbows and had a great time. On the way home we got socked in too low to make it over the pass. With the weather looking to settle in and be miserable for several days we whipped out South to Nimpo Lake, overnighted there to wait out the cloud and then went home via the Homathko.
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Man those are some fat rainbows! Great fishing it looks like! Thanks for sharing.
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Awesome photos. Very inspiring. I hope we get to fly together this summer. Friends of my father used to fish Ootsa all the time so I'm sure Eutsuk is pretty special.
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A1Skinner wrote:Man those are some fat rainbows! Great fishing it looks like! Thanks for sharing.

They are some decent Rainbows for sure. We were basically trolling salmon gear to catch them. I'm pretty lazy about taking pictures but the one pic with my daughter on the dock is what she caught one afternoon, she also got the big fish of the trip at 6 lbs which I neglected to take a picture of. They pretty routinely go over 10 lbs in this lake though.
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albravo wrote:Awesome photos. Very inspiring. I hope we get to fly together this summer. Friends of my father used to fish Ootsa all the time so I'm sure Eutsuk is pretty special.

Ootsa has great fishing too. My family also has history there, they helped build up the Ootsa Lake Bible Camp in the sixties and seventies and fished Ootsa a lot. Eutsuk is and always has been a bigger undertaking though, a long boat trip down Ootsa burning a lot of gas and then over the portage into Eutsuk. Even now a lot of guys find themselves in Eutsuk without enough gas to actually fish or do the exploring they wanted to do. It does have the advantage of being a natural lake with no standing timber in it and the seclusion is pretty awesome.
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Man, this is too good! I want to come hang with you.
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Zzz wrote:Man, this is too good! I want to come hang with you.

Only if you narrate it live. Lol
Edited to ad: not wanting to insult your narrating, I enjoy your videos.
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Zzz wrote:Man, this is too good! I want to come hang with you.

Only if you narrate it live. Lol
Edited to ad: not wanting to insult your narrating, I enjoy your videos.


I think what you actually want is BigRenna spoofing my narration live. 8)
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I'll ad one more pic here because this was kind of neat. On the way into Tweedsmuir for fishing we stopped in Shearwater. Shearwater is an isolated town/marina on the coast, no roads, air or boat access only. We wanted some lunch and I knew there was a restaurant but my expectations weren't real high. It turned out to be an excellent restaurant with great food at very reasonable prices all things considered. Here's my daughters meal.
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