Everyone here knows you can't get off a runway at an intersecting runway or a reverse high speed exit without tower approval, right?

I bring it up because no fewer than 3 times in the past 6 months I've been flying with an FO (all different guys) who have tried. It's always the reverse high speed they shoot for. I guess it's more obvious you can't get off on a runway.

It's always the same, they start going for the reverse, I see this and try to get tower approval as they are slowing. If I can get it it's no problem. But sometimes the freq is busy or the tower won't give approval and it turns into a situation.

A few days ago it happened again to me going into MCI on 1L. My FO starts going for A5 (a reverse high speed) and I try to get tower approval. Tower freq is busy so I just tell him (my FO) to keep going to the next one. He keeps slowing so I say again, "keep on going to the next". He says , he's "already committed now" so I have to hit the brakes and take the plane away. I do not like doing this but I'm not going to get violated for him or anyone else.

I suppose a fix for this would be to emphasise runway exit point in the approach and landing brief, but as it was a VFR day the brief was pretty short.

Anyway, thought I'd just post a few words here to spread awareness. I know people who have been violated for taking the reverse. Don't be that guy.

Fly safe,
GP

Uhhh... this is a site for back country flying. Just saying

I thought that was only in Canada. I don't remember anything in the regs stating thou shall not exit on the reverse. Of course, as usual, I'm probably wrong.

Perhaps you could brief your crew on this prior to landing? Then everyone will know exactly what to expect.

courierguy wrote:Uhhh... this is a site for back country flying. Just saying

It is and I thought about not posting for that reason. But then I figured even guys in cubs with oversized tires might come to the big city someday so I posted it anyway.


I don't want to turn this into a biz jet forum. I just thought I'd share this one issue and maybe vent a little.


Whoever mentioned the crew brief, you're right. I'll be adding that to applicable runways from now on.

What do you fly? I can't imagine hitting a high speed the wrong way (not a reverse high speed, whatever that is....) in anything too big. Wouldn't that put the nose of anything too big out in the dirt before the mains came around?
I would think the biggest consequence of bailing off un announced at a high speed would be the possibility of a 'puddle jumper' coming down that high speed for an intersection departure...

((Hangs head in shame}} I did a reverse high speed by accident the other day. Don't know what I was thinking.



But, when you look at the runway markings you can see why I have no excuse for screwing up.



Gump

Rob wrote:What do you fly? I can't imagine hitting a high speed the wrong way (not a reverse high speed, whatever that is....) in anything too big. Wouldn't that put the nose of anything too big out in the dirt before the mains came around?
I would think the biggest consequence of bailing off un announced at a high speed would be the possibility of a 'puddle jumper' coming down that high speed for an intersection departure...

Most runways can be landed on in either direction. A reverse high speed is a normal high speed for landing the other direction.

Safe to say my plane is small enough to perform a reverse high speed exit safely. I do not fly the A380 or B-747-500...yet.

Gump, don't worry. It's only applicable when the tower is in operation. From your pics I'm thinking the tower was closed.

Gump?
So when it spun around and you were in revrerse, is that when you did the exit the runway?

GT

GumpAir wrote:((Hangs head in shame}} I did a reverse high speed by accident the other day. Don't know what I was thinking.

Good lookin machine Gump...one you can be proud of. Did all go well with your engine rebuild? You having trouble harnessing the new horsepower? Me likes.

I didn not think that very many planes had a revese.

Tim

Y'all know what? Take the fricken reverse. Get violated, no skin off my nose. Just thought I'd try to share a little here. I know I don't really fit here except for the fact that I'm supremely envious and would love to do what you all do.

Whatever. Do what you want. I recommend you don't take a reverse high speed but do it if you want. I can't believe I can't get an ounce of support here, just jokes.

Fly safe and see ya.

Take a chill pill dude. You need to get out of whatever that is you're flying and go fly a Champ or Cub really slow over a peaceful field of daisies or something.

I for one have no idea what reverse high speed is. Maybe it's when you make a 180 degree turn on the runway and go like hell the other way or not. I just hope the guy doesn't ask me questions about it at my next biannual.

Come on Glass...

Most of us here bend over backwards to stay far, far away from airports that have control towers, much less the high speed taxiways. If I even have to talk on a radio for a flight, I'm going somewhere where I really don't want to be.

And, as a group, I think I can safely say that there isn't much posted here subject matter wise we take too seriously. Especially a couple of us. If we can poke fun, we poke fun. Probably why we fly shitty airplanes into shitty places, and going legit and flying big iron has never fit well.

Gump

I think a reverse high speed would be taking one of those turnoffs designed to be 45 degrees or less (from one end) that keeps things moving fast. That would be a 135 degree turn from the reverse which could get a WTH? from the tower but should actually be coming from the guy paying for the tires. My question is why isn't the tower telling them what exit to take? I always take the next available if they don't tell me but it's usually something like "exit alpha if able." If they're pissed that you slam on the binders so you can do a 135 degree turn in the middle of a busy runway I can understand, if they're pissed when you get off the runway at the next exit which happens to be a reverse, I don't see why. You're getting out of the way, right? In my case as single pilot, I'm usually doing everything so I doubt I'd have time to be asking for their blessing, but it's good to know.

SixTwoLeemer wrote: Did all go well with your engine rebuild? You having trouble harnessing the new horsepower?

Yup. All is well. That O-300 up here at 5,000 MSL just rolls the foreskin back on takeoff roll. It is a fire breathing beast.

Gump

Some of us....

...have flown or do fly heavy iron and little airplanes too. They are not mutually exclusive. This is a backcountry forum for sure. But I've been known to climb out of the left seat of a 400,000 lb. airliner into my Pitts, Skybolt or Maule and go do aerobatics or head for the Idaho back country....all in the same day.
We have a New Zealander on this forum whose day job is commanding a B-747 ....but can take his C-180 into the bush....make it sit up and talk the equal of most here.

I was a better airline pilot than I will ever be as a backcountry pilot. So I try to "rub shoulders" here with the very best BCPs. This is the place to be if one wants to know about backcountry flying. I've come here to learn from everyone and have learned a ton. This is a great backcountry site with unbelievable experience and practical information. When I head out for the boonies I want to hear what these guys have to say and listen very closely. I've recieved great support and have yet to recieve bad advice.

I've been known to slip a big airplane tale in here once in a while and no one every jumped on me. However there are plenty of other forums for discussion about flying military, airline and corporate. I don't think glasspilot meant any harm. Perhaps he was just trying to "participate" and contribute as best he now can. Perhaps one day we will meet him at Johnson Creek or someother beautiful spot....and he won't be flying a jet or worrying about reverse high speeds. Lets not chase him away. General aviation is dying of natural causes anyway. No reason to scare away the kid hanging on the fence.

Happy trails (or contrails) to you

Bob

z3skybolt wrote: Lets not chase him away. General aviation is dying of natural causes anyway. No reason to scare away the kid hanging on the fence.

Happy trails (or contrails) to you

Yeah, on re-reading my post didn't come out like I intended. Glass, do not take offense to our kidding around. That's what we, and especially what I seem to do best. I don't take life real seriously, and I don't take my talking about flying in general real seriously. Some subjects I do, and I try and post technical info the best I can based on my experiences. And in PM's I think I've helped steer some new guys in a good direction if/when they look at careers in Alaska. Mostly I warn them of the dumb things I did for a living up there. So, I think we all appreciate advice, both off-pavement, and on-pavement.

But, no matter how serious a thread, sooner or later it gets twisted, and we're off and running like a bunch of ADHD kids. Can't help it. However it is not you we're making fun of or ignoring.

Gump

Lets not chase him away. General aviation is dying of natural causes anyway. No reason to scare away the kid hanging on the fence.

Bob

Very well said, thanks