Skalywag wrote:Communist mandated bullcrap IMO

To be pedantic, it's capitalist mandated bull crap. The ethanol lobby is big-ag buying legislation to line their pockets.

Communists that try to pretend they're capitalists haha...But yes for all intensive purposes u are correct sir.

Sorry if I sounded real negative, it's just frustrating that we don't get a choice [emoji25]

This guy kind of backed up Barnstormers post awhile back when he told about his friend that scheduled oil tankers back in 1973 to "cause" a shortage. This was on the Eric Peters website that is anti ethanol also. When somebody jerks me around like the oil companies did in 1973 because they were the only game in town, I try to avoid them. That is impossible but ethanol is kind of running interference for some very ruthless corporations. You guys must be gluttens for punishment and like people that could cut the spigot off any time they feel like it. Or, you just have a short memory.

There never was a shortage, even one created, in most states. The Gulf of Mexico had tankers stacked up for months at a time due to them not being able to offload. The refineries in Tx. looked for every place they could store fuel to try and make it look as if there was a shortage.

It was a big joke in the oil field then since there was never any shortage for oilfield work. I knew guys who hauled fuel and they’d say “Don’t leave your bathroom window open or the tub will be full of fuel when you get back”. There literally wasn’t a container available that wasn’t being used. Even old, leaking tanks at close stations were brimming full.

I'm dealing with a well to do guy on a construction project right now, who drives a Tesla S. He commented that he gets all sorts of reactions, from all types, from "what, you think you're going to save the earth or something?" To, cool man, you're GOING to save the earth! "

But he cuts through all the BS, and pretty much keeps everyone happy, when he mentions that in almost 100,000 miles so far, he hasn't used a drop of foreign oil. Sure he recharges using a variety of sources, but doubtful any of the power plant fuel is oil these days, coal sure, but hell it's US coal. Natural gas is big in power plants these days also, also US produced. Say what you want about ethanol, but last I heard they are not importing it.

courierguy wrote: Say what you want about ethanol, but last I heard they are not importing it.

Well how about most of your clothes. If you are against imports just try and find some shoes made here.

tim

Skalywag wrote:Sorry if I sounded real negative, it's just frustrating that we don't get a choice [emoji25]

Yeah, I'm really surprised that Texas doesn't have better options. Fredericksburg looks like the closest place to you and that's 40+ minutes away...

rw2, yeah Fredericksburg does have clean unleaded 93, and its like $4.50 at the pump, 100LL is $3.95 right now at Llano.

However, my rant is about our ranch, which is where I live, that's out near Presidio, TX. We had 4 local sources between Presidio, Marfa, and Alpine, now we have zero even though some are still listed on pure-gas.org. Our ranch runway is 5TE1 if ur curious, one way it's an 1.5 hour drive to Marfa or 2 hours to Presidio.

Skalywag wrote:rw2, yeah Fredericksburg does have clean unleaded 93, and its like $4.50 at the pump, 100LL is $3.95 right now at Llano.

However, my rant is about our ranch, which is where I live, that's out near Presidio, TX. We had 4 local sources between Presidio, Marfa, and Alpine, now we have zero even though some are still listed on pure-gas.org. Our ranch runway is 5TE1 if ur curious, one way it's an 1.5 hour drive to Marfa or 2 hours to Presidio.

I knew you had a ranch, I had no idea it was right on the border.

At least in the interior of Mexico there is no ethanol. I don't suppose it would make any sense to cross the border to get clean fuel for the ranch?

Luke,isn't it a drier climate where the ranch is than here in Iowa? We get quite a few high humidity days. All the E10 that I use comes out of underground tanks at the service stations and stays good for long periods of time. If you want to get a semi load out at the ranch for convenience, why not install an underground yourself? Like I've said before, there is no mandate for E10 just for the oil companies to use a certain amount of ethanol per year. I use E85 and E30(E30 goes in the unmodified non flex vehicles) like quite a few other people around here and if our whole country would follow our lead, there would be lots of E0. Oil companies make more money making 84 octane gas and that is the reason there is so much E10 everywhere. Out at Sturgis this year, the Renewable Fuel Assoc. was giving away free fuel again to motorcyclists at the Buffalo Chip campground. They took 91 E0 and added 10 % ethanol and made it 93 octane. Lots of people lined up to get some.
P S that $4.50 a gallon should clue you in where gas prices would be if the oil companies were the onlu game in town!!!!!!

Well as far as crossing into the border town of Ojinaga for fuel, I've never actually considered that. Used to go over there a lot till around 2007 when things got pretty dangerous. My Dad made me swear I wouldn't go over there anymore (kidnappings etc), too bad things are so dangerous now, it's a neat town with a lot of great people.

Marty, I don't know why we have issues with the ethanol fuel, I just know we do. I don't have any problems with my Harley (other than having to replace some fuel lines) or Chevrolet running the ethanol even after sitting a month or two. For some reason our Polaris Ranger and 4-wheelers pop and snort like crazy if I don't burn it up in a couple weeks. They vapor lock and do all kinds of crazy nonsense that has given me the opportunity to hike long hours in the desert after being left stranded. Same deal with my dirt bike but it never quits just backfires etc. The CJ-7 doesn't seem to mind it as much though. None of this ever happens with ethanol free gas.

The E-free that we used to have out here was the same price as the E-10, the guys in Fredericksburg are price gouging IMO, cause they are the only game around in that part of the Hill Country.

Skalywag wrote:Well as far as crossing into the border town of Ojinaga for fuel, I've never actually considered that. Used to go over there a lot till around 2007 when things got pretty dangerous. My Dad made me swear I wouldn't go over there anymore (kidnappings etc), too bad things are so dangerous now, it's a neat town with a lot of great people.

Yeah, I know nothing about Ojinaga specifically, but the border states have some sketchy areas for sure and an abundance of caution is wise. On the whole drug crime is finally declining, but is still higher than in 2007, a pretty good benchmark year. Hopefully someday you'll be able to go back and both be safe and feel safe.

but the border states have some sketchy areas for sure and an abundance of caution is wise

I've been across three times hauling dairy cows back in 1983. Twice at Mexicali, and once at Tijuana. Always remember eating at a nice restaurant right next to the Tecate Brewery. Would that be a big no-no today?

180Marty wrote:

but the border states have some sketchy areas for sure and an abundance of caution is wise

I've been across three times hauling dairy cows back in 1983. Twice at Mexicali, and once at Tijuana. Always remember eating at a nice restaurant right next to the Tecate Brewery. Would that be a big no-no today?

Tijuana crime is down dramatically from the height of the drug wars. I know expats who live there who are comfortable. There's a Costco, for crying out loud. But the murder rate there is still at least six times that in San Diego. Like US cities, your odds of getting hurt are dramatically lower if you aren't involved in a criminal enterprise and don't walk around flashing wads of dough or otherwise making yourself a target, but still I'd talk with someone with a bunch of local experience before I went there.