Comparable insurance quote vs OGMaules and 59 Wagon.

2000+ in type, 4000+TW. This year for wagon @ $130K no deductibles, $1600.

As a 26 hour student pilot in 2011 got the wagon to finish PPL and insurance was $3800 for $60K.

Sounds like Maule may not be so bad comparatively, my initial policy was not great coverage. Current policy is best coverage I have found. There is certainly cheaper out there, but full of restrictions etc. Got quotes for a Maule at same value at same time for PPL, and remember the best quote being about $4600. Similar dual instruction requirements with like 5 more hours for Maule.

Would love to own a Maule someday, and have Maule baggage door envy big time. I haul a lot of shit and having to remove the door and the seat, then throw my back out getting big/heavy stuff up in there on 31's, is certainly more of a hassle comparatively. It's not a big deal really, but way simpler with the Maule or a 206.

As far as the wagon drivers that "come down hard" on Maules, I just have to call them on their bullshit! Seriously, I have no stick time in a Maule, but have flown with plenty of Maule owners and have always been impressed with the performance.


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rw2 wrote:

fiftynineSC wrote:Parts are easy to get and relatively inexpensive...but to the guy that says "i can get an aileron cheaper"....my response is that ailerons aren't wear items and what are you doing to fuck up an aileron?

I got bit for an aileron and was *really* happy that it was $800 instead of $6000.

Again...not really a maintenance item. Besides....if damaged, who would "buy" an aileron on a Cessna? I could send it to Beegles, have it reskinned/repaired, and delivered to my door for less than half of that. Seriously...who buys into this bull shit?

That's like not buying the car you want or need because the front fenders are expensive to "maintain."

1) don't do anything to mess up the non wear item in question.
2) insurance

Speaking of Maule prices....
the factory has done some weird pricing in years past.
For example, when they introduced a 160hp model (not sure M5, 6, or 7) it was waaay cheap.
Then with the new M4-180V. According to the article about it in the March 2005 AOPA Pilot magazine, the list price was about $96K for a fixed pitch prop version and about $106K for constant speed. A year or so later (12/06) I saw them advertised for
$129K & $139K. Wow-- an over 30% increase.

Now there's a push on to reintroduce or at least again market the M4-180V.

http://www.avweb.com/videos/Maules-Budg ... 862-1.html

I haven't watched the AvWeb video yet but it looks like now they're about $200K.
Not a bad price for a brand new airplane I guess, but still a buncha money, and in a whole different league than before.

DocFry wrote:Tick,
I've been shopping too and have really become enamored of the Maule line. Then my pal an AA captain and a veteran 180 driver came down pretty hard on me. Says there's a reason for the lower prices, *including build quality*.

I call shenanigans on that. I have no idea how Maule build 'em so cheap, but it's not BUILD quality... I would rather be in a new Maule than a 60 year old C180 any day of the year.

If C180s were sold from a factory today, they would probably be >$1 million dollars each. Maule prices are pretty darn good in the world of certified aircraft.

Ps. If you think my guess of >$1 million is too high, consider this...
When McDonnell Douglas was selling the A4 Skyhawk in the 1960s, the unit cost was ~$870k... Imagine what a factory-new A4 would cost in today's market...!
Inflation alone would have turned the original Skywagon prices into a quarter million bucks today, before one considers all the heightened material costs, labour costs, costs of doing business, lawsuit costs, safety regs, compliance red tape, and all the other factors get added into the mix.
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fiftynineSC wrote:

rw2 wrote:

fiftynineSC wrote:Parts are easy to get and relatively inexpensive...but to the guy that says "i can get an aileron cheaper"....my response is that ailerons aren't wear items and what are you doing to fuck up an aileron?

I got bit for an aileron and was *really* happy that it was $800 instead of $6000.

Again...not really a maintenance item. Besides....if damaged, who would "buy" an aileron on a Cessna? I could send it to Beegles, have it reskinned/repaired, and delivered to my door for less than half of that. Seriously...who buys into this bull shit?

That's like not buying the car you want or need because the front fenders are expensive to "maintain."

1) don't do anything to mess up the non wear item in question.
2) insurance

I know of several situations where a skywagon's horizontal stabilizer was wrecked by an inadvertent impact (fence post), serious rock damage, corrosion inside, etc. It happens. The best price to repair (just the stabilizer) was >$20,000 (NZ dollars) in each case.

Another guy flipped his plane when the gear leg failed on landing a rough airstrip. He could have bought a new Maule and gotten spare change for the price of the repair job on his wings.

So those aren't maintenance items, and yes that sh*t still happens. Even if you take the best care of your plane. That's why we all buy insurance

I know literally a dozen guys trying to get away from their Cessna because they are sick of paying to maintain and fix them. It's not a just Cessna thing, it's a 60 year old certified aircraft thing...

Battson,

I follow what you are saying as far as the extent of where costs can go during repairs and I get that you aren't trying to imply those are maintenance costs. Certainly, if you hurt or bend your plane or have structural corrosion its going to cost you. Repairing structural corrosion in a Cessna is a serious deal is it is if a supercub's fuselage tubing gets corroded. It's not going to be cheap. I think that goes for any airplane.

I'm not familiar with the cost structure of aviation in NZ, but what I do know is that i have direct experience with repairs similar to what you are describing above. I've had 3 of these, and my current plane has had both leading edges replaced as well as the horizontal stabilizer. I have the receipts. I don't want to get into too much of a pissing contest but none of these repair costs came close to even 10% of the value of the plane and I can't imagine major wing repairs (which i also have a couple of data points on) being anywhere near the price of a "new Maule." A new Maule here in the States is $250K plus. I might have mistook your meaning though, you may have meant replacement Maule.

If any of your buddies with the Cessna's have 180/185's that want to get out of them, let me know via PM.

Bill

New Maule M4 with 180 HP and CS prop is $199,000 right now. Heck of a deal, if you ask me. But what do I know - I'm building a Bearhawk Patrol.

and when the F-22 line shut down they cost 122M...which would you rather strap in to?

JP256 wrote:New Maule M4 with 180 HP and CS prop is $199,000 right now. Heck of a deal, if you ask me. But what do I know - I'm building a Bearhawk Patrol.

I'd say!

New C-172: $400,000
New Husky: $350,000
New Scout: $250,000

Very competitive!

hotrod180 wrote:Speaking of Maule prices....
the factory has done some weird pricing in years past.
For example, when they introduced a 160hp model (not sure M5, 6, or 7) it was waaay cheap.
Then with the new M4-180V. According to the article about it in the March 2005 AOPA Pilot magazine, the list price was about $96K for a fixed pitch prop version and about $106K for constant speed. A year or so later (12/06) I saw them advertised for
$129K & $139K. Wow-- an over 30% increase.

Now there's a push on to reintroduce or at least again market the M4-180V.

http://www.avweb.com/videos/Maules-Budg ... 862-1.html

I haven't watched the AvWeb video yet but it looks like now they're about $200K.
Not a bad price for a brand new airplane I guess, but still a buncha money, and in a whole different league than before.

Agreed.

I actually bought my new Maule ON SALE in 2002. $100,000 but I added some options was still OTD under $120,000.

hotrod180 wrote: Speaking of Maule prices.... the factory has done some weird pricing in years past.
For example, when they introduced a 160hp model (not sure M5, 6, or 7) it was waaay cheap.....

Checked my old airplane mags...
An article in the March 1996 Private Pilot cited a recent "factory sales blitz" offering the new 160hp MX-7 "sport plane" for less than $45K.
The pirepped airplane was a fixed-pitch MX7-180A, which cost $73K factory equipped with nav-com, txp, audio panel, & intercom.

Denali wrote:RWM wrote:

Insurance will be higher right off the bat with no make/model/tailwheel time.

I'm curious what the insurance situation is like for Tricycle gear Maules ? Is the "Maule insurance Shock" only for the tail draggers?

For me (1650 TT, about 1,000 in Maules) $120,000 hull coverage is about $1,000/year so I think the higher prices are for taildraggers.

For a comparison, I'm paying ~$1300/yr for an E-AB Pacer (4 seats, 160hp, TD) with ~2200 TT, ~200 time in type and ~200 TD (CPL ASEL & Inst).

The insurance rates I've seen posted here aren't far off from mine.

fiftynineSC wrote:I don't want to get into too much of a pissing contest but none of these repair costs came close to even 10% of the value of the plane and I can't imagine major wing repairs (which i also have a couple of data points on) being anywhere near the price of a "new Maule." A new Maule here in the States is $250K plus. I might have mistook your meaning though, you may have meant replacement Maule.

Yep you're right sorry, I meant buying a "new to them" Maule to replace the wreck, not a "brand new" Maule from the factory.

I don't know but am curious what my 1981 M5 180C cost new. I read somewhere that in 1983 or 84 Maule decided to clean out the factory floor of remaining M5 "stuff" by marketing M5's new out the factory door for $29,000 so they could focus on M6's and M7's. This act has affected the Vref value of the planes as far as hull value is considered for acquiring an aircraft loan. Fat chance you'll find a low time Maule for that kind of money.

Was looking at the Maule Air website and they are offerning a new M4-180C S4 for base ~$204k new at the factory.

I then thought for the hell of it to compare current new Cessna to Current new Maule 9. http://mauleairinc.com/maule-m-9-235-aircraft/ at base ~$308k

and http://txtav.com/en/products/compare?mo ... 732189DEFE Skyhawk and Skylane

I was not able to see Cessna MSRP but the specs of the Skylane come closest to the M9-235B injected.

Used aircraft are, of course, all over the place in quality and price. In addition it appears that Cessna is out of the tailwheel business.

Just thought I would throw these data into the thread. No judgement just info.

TD