I came across a 1969 K-Falls sectional and after talking with Zane via email, It might be a good idea if we could get these scanned and available for everybody. I might have access to a large scanner ( I think its about 4+ feet wide ) that can take sectionals and make high res scans. I have found some very interesting info that might help somebody in a battle over saving an old airport, or reviving one that used to be. Or one of those " that sure looks like an old WWII emergency strip and the weather up ahead is getting worse" kind of situations. I sure like the old "Blue Diamond" VFR routes that they used to publish. If anything, they are fun just to look at.

You get the idea. Got any laying around?
Just an idea right now. I want to see if there is interest first.

I love looking at stuff like that. It would be awesome to see a 1969 k-falls sectional. So yeah, do it!

Whats would be awesome is something like skyvector.com or vfrmap.com that had a timeline like google earth and you could look at all the past sectionals from various years.

1969 doesn't seem so old.

I have some sectional and wac charts going back to the 1970's, and I have a box of Alaska sectionals that I grabbed just before they went to the trash at work 15 years ago, I think they go back to the 1960's. It will take me a few days to find everything and see what I still have but I'll be glad to let some body copy them.

I'll look when I get home, but I think I have some from Idaho from 15 years ago. The 206 came from there and there was a bunch in the plane when I picked it up. I think my lovely wife save them, will check.

Old sectionals are fascinating. I have a 1950 Kansas City and a 1944 Tulsa Sectional.

those are the ones I still use.

What's a sectional?

I would love to see those old charts! Those sectionals show us explorers the location of old strips that could be used again for fun!!

I'd love to see the "old" Klamath Falls Sectional! That's my backyard, so it would be cool to see what's changed.

Well, that's quite a response for only having my post up for 12 hrs. Thanks everybody! Glad somebody else out there is a map geek like me. Between Skyvector and G-Earth I can just look at maps forever.

If I remember correctly, NOAA took off the VFR "Blue Diamond" routes in about 1982'ish. but the state aviation charts ( you know, the ones they hand out for free at fly in's, and FBO's, when you renew your state dues, etc. ) still had the diamonds on them. I have Utah and Colorado. My first trip though those states were made much easier knowing/having these on a chart. Although they are not perfect routes, it was nice to know that the "locals" had blazed a trail for me. BTW: Canada still has the blue diamond routes.

A scanned sectional is about 45-60 MB in size. I have one that is 609 MB.

So as far as I'm concerned, Sectionals before they took off the blue diamonds are best for what I am trying to do, but all dates have value to us as a community. I will continue to let all of you chime in with what you have ( include dates if you can ), and sometime in March I will build some kind of a spread sheet for inventory and PM some of you about how, where, when I can borrow some of these.

Zane talked about some kind of a "cloud" that everybody could access as being one way we could all share.

Anybody else have some? Chime in please.

BladeRunner wrote:So as far as I'm concerned, Sectionals before they took off the blue diamonds are best for what I am trying to do, but all dates have value to us as a community. I will continue to let all of you chime in with what you have ( include dates if you can ), and sometime in March I will build some kind of a spread sheet for inventory and PM some of you about how, where, when I can borrow some of these.

Zane talked about some kind of a "cloud" that everybody could access as being one way we could all share.

Anybody else have some? Chime in please.

I don't have any to send for scanning, but would *love* to see them. If Zane doesn't want to host them here on BCP, I'd be happy to do so myself.

BladeRunner wrote:Zane talked about some kind of a "cloud" that everybody could access as being one way we could all share.

I suggested Dropbox as a way to avoid snail mailing it to me.

609 MB or even 60 MB is a ridiculously inefficient compression level for a sectional chart. If you look at the ones that are used by vfrmap.com or skyvector.com, they have adequate resolution to be viewed but allow fast loading over a modest internet connection. Of course, they break theirs up into smaller tiles but still...

I would be happy to host here (we are technically "in the cloud"), but it's a special case. If you need to mail me the file, we can discuss in private and I can help make it more deliverable via the Internet. It sounds like interesting stuff.

I love old charts. I have a couple of '70's charts. I'm a cheap bastard and I always liked the free state produced charts. I think some states have curtailed that deal. I'm also using a Magellan 315 for a GPS , not exactly high tech.

I have a stash of old sectionals and WAC as follows (dates are the expiration dates)
Columbia River WAC (269) April 22, 1948
Portland Sectional (W-1) April 30, 1946
Mt. Fairweather WAC (138) March 15, 1962
Los Angeles Sectional Feb. 1, 1973
Mt. Shasta Sectional May 23, 1968
Mt. Whitney WAC (363) Aug 19, 1958
Boise Sectional May 30, 1963
Crater Lake WAC (304) Feb. 11, 1959
WAC CG-18 ( covers Red Bluff CA to Northern Baja) June 21, 1973
Elko Sectional Oct. 3, 1958
Klamath Falls Sectional May 27, 1971
San Francisco WAC (364) Feb. 27, 1959
La Grande Sectional Oct. 20, 1959
Klamath Falls Sectional Nov.11, 1971
La Grande Sectional July 20, 1967
Portland Sectional Oct 13, 1955
Seattle Sectional Oct. 25, 1960
Phoenix Sectional Sept. 25, 1958
Klamath Falls Sectional Sept. 14, 1967
Boise Sectional May 30, 1963
Charlie Lake WAC MArch 12, 1962 (covers Northern BC, Fort. St. John to Watson Lake, the AlCan)
Boise Sectional Apr.1, 1957
Seattle Sectional Mar. 29, 1961
Prescott, AZ Sectional Mar.12, 1958
Lake Louise WAC (216) Sept. 1, 1961
Operation Navigation Chart E-16 Dec. 20, 1970 covers Seattle north to Ft St John east to Stanley Mission south to Glascow MT. It is an awesome map!
Klamath Falls Sectional Feb. 26, 1963
Portland Sectional July 25, 1963
Los Angeles Local Aeronautical Chart Mar. 28, 1960. It is like a terminal area chart.
Reno Sectional Oct. 22, 1956
San Diego Sectional Mar. 12, 1959
Mt. Whitney Sectional Sept. 16, 1958
Mt. Hunt WAC (116) Nov. 1955. Covers Watson Lake north
Cariboo Mtns WAC (185) 1955 covers Northern BC.
Yukon River WAC (77) Oct. 4 1961
Peel River WAC oct. 17, 1961 covers Yukon, AK, NWT junction
Seattle to Anchorage Route Chart (RC 2209) Oct. 1, 1961
Grand Canyon Sectional Oct. 26, 1956
Klamath Falls Sectional Apr.1, 1958
Klamath Falls Sectional MArch 27, 1956
USAF/USN Flip Low Altitude High Speed Training Route Chart- Western U.S. June 1963
State of Oregon AFD Jan. 1960

Holy crap there are a lot.
The sectionals are interesting to look at because they were more localized back then, printed on one side.
I got the majority of them when a friend passed away and his wife gave me a box of stuff they did not want. The oldest sectional I picked up at a garage sale. I love looking at them.

Cheers,
Dave

This is a pretty cool site. It has some vintage aeronautical charts on it. Has a ton of other maps and charts too. If your a map geek you'll waste hours here.

http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/histor ... attributes

I'm looking at an old aeronautical chart from the 1950's. Why does California have an ADIZ around the state? Even goes around the eastern border.

We're trying to open up Monache Meadows and keep Coyote Flats open in the Sierras, so if anyone has old charts showing Monache Meadows through out the years, and also Coyote Flats, that would really be helpful. The original site of Monache is in question, and if we can establish that, we may have a better chance with that than obtaining the current strip.

Zenithguy wrote:We're trying to open up Monache Meadows and keep Coyote Flats open in the Sierras, so if anyone has old charts showing Monache Meadows through out the years, and also Coyote Flats, that would really be helpful. The original site of Monache is in question, and if we can establish that, we may have a better chance with that than obtaining the current strip.

If you go to this website and check the entry for Tunnel Meadows you'll see several images of charts that depict Monache Meadows as a USFS strip.

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Air ... tml#tunnel

And here is someone selling a 1948 Mt. Whitney Sectional on Etsy. You might contact him and see if Monache is on the chart.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/158436062/v ... =related-0

And here is someone selling a 1948 Mt. Whitney Sectional on Etsy. You might contact him and see if Monache is on the chart.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/158436062/v ... =related-0

Great site, bought that and four others, thanks a lot…