Thanks for sharing. I remember when this occurred and was glad to find out no one was injured. Guaranteed I learned something from your unfortunate mishap. Enjoy the new bird.

Rich

Thanks for sharing.

The best pilots I know are the ones who own up to their mistakes and share with others so they may possibly avoid doing the same.

Your a true professional.

Cheers,
Ken

I guess one silver lining to the dark cloud, is you get to go shopping. In many ways, that is the best part of having new-to-you equipment, choosing what you want!

Hey Cory. Thanks for the write up. Really happy you and your copilot were not badly injured. I think we all have had at least one of those "what was I thinking" moments.

Tom

Glad to know you made it out OK. It's not fun going upside down.

I lost a main gear axle on takeoff on the way home from High Sierra this past year (metal fatigue, thank God it didn't happen while playing around Dead Cow). All was well, and then all of sudden, inverted. Interesting to hear what all went through your head; I had very similar thoughts the whole way through. From the seat belt, the leaking gas worry, the finding of things all over the airplane you'd never expect them to be, the head spinning few hours standing there with your pride and joy knowing that it's wrecked. Hate to say I'm part of the club, but then again, it's some hard earned experience that will help keep your head in the game the next time something way out of left field happens.

I also found the NTSB to be very helpful with the whole thing. The investigator they gave me was an Alaska/tailwheel guy so he really did understand the whole situation and made it very strait forward.

And, hey, time to go through the fun of looking at a new airplane again!

Cory, thanks for sharing your story.

Like Zane said, I hope that it was a cathartic experience for you! I'm glad you and your passenger are both safe and sound, and I think your new plane is going to be a lot of fun for you and your family for many years! I had a lot of fun following your adventures in 40Z - I'd be interested in hearing some of the differences in the two planes - maybe a photo tour of the new bird!

Thanks for sharing. My first few experiences testing snow followed extensive interviews of local pilots that had lots of landings on frozen lakes, and I thought I had covered my bases. Well, I was totally fortunate that those discussions resulted in sufficient caution, because when the wheels hit, it was like I was being grabbed by invisible hands...so I totally can relate.

Soft, powdery snow is one thing, but when it crusts over all bets are off.

What I ended up sorting out is that if I can see the color of the ice beneath the snow, then the snow is less than an inch and is okay. And if I can't see the color of ice beneath the snow, I didn't need to land anyway...

Enjoy the new plane and keep flying!

Cory, glad you are okay!

Thanks everyone. Fiddler, sorry to hear about your plane! Glad it turned out ok.

Battson, the new airplane definitely has taken some of the sting out of it. Here is the new plane. You can see some more pics of my adventure in bringing it home last week under my flying thread.



Mike, as for differences, this one has the same EDM 700 engine analyzer but has the fuel info going to it too...so that is nice. It's got a nice leather interior, Avion yokes, Rosan visors, dual KX-155s and navaids. I'll miss my Garmin GMA 340 and SL-30, but it does have a 6 place intercom. It has wingtip lights too. The biggest difference is the IO-520 which gives me 25 more hp. I'll need to add some bigger tires and BAS shoulder harnesses (ordered them yesterday) as well as some VGs and the Sportsman STOL at some point. Those are the big things. Of course there are always more stuff to do!

That Sucks!

One more thing to consider especially in the 205 is balance.
Beach landings and taxiing without a load always perk my ears up.
The nose wheel is tough to keep up when the only weight is pilot or pilot/copilot.

I dont know if you had it or not and It may or may not have made a difference in this case, but about 100lbs in the rear may have changed things.

Just throwing it out!

Also the takeoff roll is a little shorter not having to fight to get the nose up.

Glad everyone is okay!

Hey Trent,

Yeah I had weight in the back. Probably 100-150#. Something I've found out that is interesting, my old plane's CG was quite a bit further aft than the new one. Anyone know what the weight difference is between a 470 and a 520?

Looks to be around 55#! Guess that's why they lengthened the horizontal stab on the 206!

Cory,

Depends somewhat on the particular model, but the 470 and 520 are pretty close in weights. Does the new plane have a three blade vs a two blade propeller on the old plane?

MTV

Cory,

Thanks for posting your experience.

I wonder if your flaps are the same as a 206? My guess is your 205 and my 206 are pretty close in weights...etc.

Tim

Yes, what MTV said. 3 blade propeller would be major difference.

Could have been a calculation error also on the paperwork on either plane at some time.
For reference mine calculated and empty is 1866lbs cg 35.45. Gar aero 8.50X10's landis. 2 blade prop sportsmans and v brace. with all 6 seats.

behindpropellers wrote:
I wonder if your flaps are the same as a 206? My guess is your 205 and my 206 are pretty close in weights...etc.

Tim

No the wings are different. 206 has longer flaps.
205 flaps are shorter and the wings are close to 185's

You can get in a little shorter with a 206 also... just a little

Two blade prop. I just did a search on Wikipedia and they had some dry weights listed that were are 55# difference.

We weighed it a couple of times. Who knows. Maybe the numbers did get skewed someplace. But even with no gear in the back before adding VGs I never ran out of elevator in my old plane and fully loaded it flew like it had an art CG. So far with the new plane 2 of the 3 landings I've done I've ran out of elevator. The good news is with my normal kid I should be about center CG.

It's been my experience that the kids tend to grow faster than you'd believe, so a little forward CG isn't always a bad thing.

I suspect he meant "kit", not kid. I was on board for two of those landings, and I may or may not have contributed to the forward cg...

Oops! I meant to say load. Not sure why it auto-corrected to kid. Anyway, I just looked and my old plane had an empty weight of 1879.8 and a CG of 40.5. The new plane weighs 1879.2 with a CG of 34.1.