http://pure-gas.org/

There are probably a few of these sites currently. As with any crowdsourced database, your mileage may vary.

Thanks Zane

You just saved me a 15 mile round trip to get Mogas. The station I used to get it wasn't there so I added it.

Hey Jerry, fly over to Dell to see if they still have it.

Tim

If I get a minute, I will. I called them last time we were talking about it and the guy told me they didn't use ethanol but I guess you need to check to be sure. I haven't checked the station by my house yet but I drove over there and no stickers on the pump. I am heading to the airport right now to get some cans.

How come CA is not on there??

AvidFlyer wrote:How come CA is not on there??

Same reason we are bankrupt and businesses are moving out. Same reason I am thinking of buying a place in Idaho.

Tim

qmdv wrote:

AvidFlyer wrote:How come CA is not on there??

Same reason we are bankrupt and businesses are moving out. Same reason I am thinking of buying a place in Idaho.

Tim

What your going to move the "Hobby Shop " ?

Even if there's no stickers I'd test for ethanol before using in your airplane. I'm not sure that legally they have to placard the pumps now, even though most places do. Also, don't take that pure-gas" list as gospel. A buddy of mine got all excited about it, then discovered that the 2 places he checked did indeed have ethanol -- maybe they went E10 after being listed?
If you discover that a source listed on pure-gas.org is no longer ethanol free, please get on the site and revise the listing appropriately.

I got excited, seeing a few listed in Ohio. Then looking closer, I saw that they were all marinas, which most likely charge as much as airports do for av gas.

Zane wrote:http://pure-gas.org/

There are probably a few of these sites currently. As with any crowdsourced database, your mileage may vary.

When gas (auto fuel) is pumped to "disturber" all fuel is the same (Arco,Phillips,Chevron etc) when truck shows up to take fuel to stations the additives are added --i.e gas ahole ,techrelane ,or whatever station or local rules require.Farm and Construction get "pure fuel" as well as boat docks. In norther AZ. the distributor for fuel will sell 200 gallons + if you have a tank. Over 500 gallons will be free delivery up to 60 miles . Fuel from farmer Co-Op's still has road tax and different color .You can show that the auto fuel/for your airplane should get part if not all of the road tax back.Station near AZ 50 has pure gas---
I test it all the time .Get a Olive jar (1 inch or so in diameter about 6 inches long) mark a line at 1/4 inch off bottom .When you go to gas station pour a little water in jar up to line,add some gas out of the pump up to 1/2 to 3/4 height .Put on cap and shake up -put on fuel pump to set. Go ahead and fuel up your car or truck and check the results . In some stations I've tried going from one pump to another results may very. Using 91 or higher octane will usually find clean fuel. I plan to use the fuel ASAP and don't store fuel for extended periods . I mix fuel 100LL with autofuel about 1/3-1/2 auto to 100LL with good results. Keeps the plugs clean .

patrol guy wrote:I got excited, seeing a few listed in Ohio. Then looking closer, I saw that they were all marinas, which most likely charge as much as airports do for av gas.

Maybe not, it's worth checking out. My last local gas station source of E-zero is $3.50/gallon for 92 octane. 100LL at my airport is 5.20, nearby at the cut-rate airport it's 4.40. If & when my source dries up, I'm gonna check out the marina. If it's less than 4.40 it's worth the trouble- Kind of a long pack with the gas cans from the end of the dock though.

AvidFlyer wrote:How come CA is not on there??

Because all gasoline sold in CA is now E5.7 or E10. Up to E5.7 has been required in a lot of southern counties for air quality to replace MTBE which was outlawed years ago. Last year the legislature passed a law to allow terminals to deliver E10 and all of your terminals are converting to meet the RFS mandate in a federal law called EISA 2007. (http://www.e0pc.com for explanation) It is not a mandatory E10 law, California is not a mandatory E10 state and California has no pump labeling law, so you don't know what you are pumping.

When gas (auto fuel) is pumped to "disturber" all fuel is the same (Arco,Phillips,Chevron etc) when truck shows up to take fuel to stations the additives are added --i.e gas ahole ,techrelane ,or whatever station or local rules require. Farm and Construction get "pure fuel" as well as boat docks. ...

This is only partially true and will only last about one more year. "Pure fuel" is disappearing all over the country as ethanol blending is spreading because of the unintended consequences of the federal RFS mandate in EISA 2007. As E10 spreads, refineries stop making what you are calling "pure fuel" and start making Blendstock for Oxygenated Blending (BOB), which usually happens during the semi-annual seasonal blending changeover. We just saw a whole lot more stations go E10 in Washington last month which coincides with the summer / winter blend changeover. BOB is a suboctane product, the highest they make is 90 AKI for premium E10, which will not satisfy the Peteresen high compression STCs and the 100 HP Rotax engines that are in most LSA, and it is generally not legal to sell as finished gasoline, even as mid-grade.

Here in Oregon we are a mandatory E10 state with exceptions for aviation, marine, old cars, off road recreation vehicles, small tools, etc. but the only product that is coming down the Olympic pipeline to the Portland terminal is cBOB. The only pure gas we are getting is trucked in and one of the 4 refineries in WA has already completely converted to making BOB only.

Next year so much ethanol will be required to be blended that it will take all of the gasoline in the country E10, or by the latest in 2012.

You only have about one more year to try to change this. If you want to help: http://www.flyunleaded.com

This is only partially true and will only last about one more year. "Pure fuel" is disappearing all over the country

While I haven't bought any straight unleaded gasoline here in Iowa for years, it will be interesting to see what happens since it is still available everywhere and there doesn't seem to be a push to mandate E10. I did find out that the pipeline that goes through my field only carries straight 87 octane,91 octane gasoline and diesel----no BOB. It goes to a terminal about 30 miles away that supplies the area.

Patrol guy check this out.
http://countrymark.com/finding_us.cfm

All Countrymark nations are ethanol free and they advertise it as well, plus they only use U.S. crude oil.
The only bad thing is they are only in Indiana,Ohio,Michigan and Kentucky.

Mongo wrote

All Countrymark nations are ethanol free and they advertise it as well

You're sure of that?

Yeah patrol guy just told me they changed 2 moths ago

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180Marty wrote:

This is only partially true and will only last about one more year. "Pure fuel" is disappearing all over the country

While I haven't bought any straight unleaded gasoline here in Iowa for years, it will be interesting to see what happens since it is still available everywhere and there doesn't seem to be a push to mandate E10. I did find out that the pipeline that goes through my field only carries straight 87 octane,91 octane gasoline and diesel----no BOB. It goes to a terminal about 30 miles away that supplies the area.

Since you don't use it, I'll be glad to get your share of the good stuff. How about hot-tapping that backyard pipeline & sending a tankerload out here a couple times a year?

hotrod150 wrote

How about hot-tapping that backyard pipeline & sending a tankerload out here a couple times a year?

Seriously, seems you guys out West should consider doing that. Once you get to South Dakota, you see a lot of semi's pulling two trailers, 1 big one pulling a pup. I think they're legal to get out your way and probably hauling 10 to 12,000 gallons. I bet $3 a loaded mile would get it out there so you'd have less than $.50 a gallon and then the truck could haul some of that sub octane stuff back here to mix with our local ethanol. A rail car might be an option also--- a couple of years ago I saw a local semi offloading a rail car filled with diesel when we had a local shortage and some ethanol plants get their natural gasoline used as denaturant delivered that way. Wouldn't be any more ridiculous than what's going on with ethanol right now-----USA is importing Brazilian ethanol and I'm in some Iowa plants that are exporting to Canada and Europe.

P.S. Dean, this might be an opportunity for you. Instead of all the time and effort you're putting into your website, you could become a supplier/broker of E0 87 and 91 for everybody out West.

180Marty wrote:> ...

P.S. Dean, this might be an opportunity for you. Instead of all the time and effort you're putting into your website, you could become a supplier/broker of E0 87 and 91 for everybody out West.

You don't read my web sites do you? You don't understand how the RFS mandate in EISA 2007 works, do you?

Next year almost 14 billion gallons of ethanol will have to be blended into gasoline somehow, and it won't be making E85 or even any E15, so by the end of next year every drop of gasoline in the U.S. will have to be E10. And in order to make E10, the refineries will switch to making BOB. The refineries in CA already do this and one of the four in WA doesn't make any E0 gasoline anymore, only 84 AKI and 90 AKI BOB, which isn't legal gasoline. So, as I have told you many times, you are going to get to watch premium unleaded auto fuel needed by Petersen high compression STCs, and 100 HP Rotax engines that power practically all sLSA aircraft disappear in the next 12-18 months and those folks will have to use more 100 octane leaded avgas, which should really make FOE and EPA happier.