Rans has finally come out with an all metal version of the S-6! Looks like it could be a really cool airplane.

That looks more like a metal S-20.

@ Experimentalaviator: +1

Rans S-20


If this indeed turns out to be the new version of the S6 in all metal, I wonder if it will retain its folding wing capability. Here are more details off the Facebook Page : https://www.facebook.com/ransaircraft/

GW will be 1800 pounds so NOT LSA. Rans is perhaps banking on the medical PBR2 opening up a market for slightly heavier than LSA machines. Engine options will include Rotax (of course) and Titan 340 180 HP. I suppose with non-LSA, they could even dump a CS prop on it just for cheap thrills.

Cruise is claimed at 155 MPH.

Film at 11.

Update Edit: Here are the Specs that were just posted (7/20/2016) :

http://media.wix.com/ugd/6e941e_2c9760607fc946acb89191602ab2a731.pdf

Looks like a Miniature 180! It has good speed and range too. 155mph @ 75% / 527 mi

With full fuel still has 620 lbs useful. With two 200lb'ers thats 220 lbs of gear.

I like that there is a steel cage integrated into the design. Is that a first in an "all aluminum" airframe? Anyone?

Also, complete kit for $35K. Pretty slick setup for the price.

Crzyivan13 wrote:

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Looks like a Miniature 180! It has good speed and range too. 155mph @ 75% / 527 mi

Here is another link with more info. Link: http://121five.com/stories_new.aspx?story_id=2827

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“This is exciting for us,” says designer Randy Schlitter, “building a big two-seater with a lot of power and aerodynamics that allow both a 150+ cruise and STOL credentials, and building in features that make assembly easier and more accurate than ever.”

The new S-21 OUTBOUND is an all-metal high-wing, single-strut design that can be built as either a taildragger or a tricycle. It mounts the “stroker” 180hp Titan engine (and can be configured for others, all the way to a Rotax). Slotted flaps produce considerably less drag than traditional STOL appurtenances, allowing the S-21 OUTBOUND to enjoy excellent slow-flight characteristics while maintaining a respectable 150+ mph cruise speed.

Not mentioned is the fact that the Rans S21 Outbound has a 46 inch WIDE cabin, identical to that of the S20 Raven. That's all without bubble windows. That’s wider than the C-180 (about 40 inches) and even post 1962+ C182s (about 44 inches). Cabin width can be really important for some of us. If I tried to squeeze into the new XCub’s 30 inch wide cabin for example, I’d need lithium grease and a shoe horn to get in and a crow bar and jaws of life to get out.



Lesuther in a thread titled Cessna Cabin Width wrote:
Link: https://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/cessna-cabin-width-1218

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I’m 6'7 or so. My '62 182 is completely roomy, even though my other half is only a bit shorter than I am. The 4" make an enormous difference for comfort to me, and also makes carrying the bikes and pooch and kitchen sink all pretty comfy. I notice the difference every time I hitch a ride in a 'Wagon.

Mono strut makes for a clean design, and it does resemble a C-180, or Bearhawk 4 place, but for two people. Stuff the upcoming 135 HP turbo injected FADEC Rotax 915 in it instead of the 180 HP Titan, and enjoy some really affordable performance flying at almost any DA. Oh yeah, the 915iS can also burn high-octane automotive gasoline. Very affordable.

Zenith promotes their all metal Quick Build CH750 STOL and Cruzer as going together fairly rapidly. I think RANS sensed the trend, and if their new S21 turns out to be a SuperQuick Build, I think it will be very well received. Fast, all metal blind rivet, wide cabin, STOL, trike or taildragger, and lots of engine options with 1800 GW…nice. The S21’s 4130 chromoly steel frame, unlike the Xcub for example, seems to only include the cabin, but that’s ok. For BRS options, I am sure they will concoct a mod.

Rans S21 Fuse


It has been a good year so far, first XCub and now the S21. Maybe the “Airplane Fairy” can also deliver a fast BCP capable Vans High wing 4 place, or a wider all metal Bearhawk sometime soon. .....probably not. . And finallly... I do wonder if the 155 cruise speed @75% RANS predicts will turn out to be accurate. I guess modern software can do it all.

Looks like a sure winner to me. I just have to talk myself into a side by side..Love those tandems

Crzyivan13 wrote:I like that there is a steel cage integrated into the design. Is that a first in an "all aluminum" airframe? Anyone?

Maules, Mooneys, to name a couple.....

MTV

mtv wrote:

Crzyivan13 wrote:I like that there is a steel cage integrated into the design. Is that a first in an "all aluminum" airframe? Anyone?

Maules, Mooneys, to name a couple.....

MTV

Are the new M9 maules all aluminum? The older ones are tube and fabric I believe, not much aluminum beside the wings.

Interesting.... though probably not what I want to fly out of my 400' strip on a regular basis, good to see RANS continuing with new designs. I would also go with that 915 Rotax for that bird, half the fuel burn, lot less weight.
There is a S-20 being built near me, I'll be getting some time in it fairly soon as it is going together very quickly. Getting mildly interested in it, wish the doors were as big (tall, specifically, for getting things like electric mountain bikes in) as my S-7. After 3200 hrs in two different S-7s, I still can't believe how satisfied I am with them for my kind of flying.
Faster would be nice, but I want to continue landing my place as easily as I do now. Pretty sure a S-21 would be a handful, the 7 is a puppy dog, as would a S-20 (same wing of course). Maybe a S-20 with a 915?!

courierguy wrote:Interesting.... though probably not what I want to fly out of my 400' strip on a regular basis, good to see RANS continuing with new designs. I would also go with that 915 Rotax for that bird, half the fuel burn, lot less weight.
There is a S-20 being built near me, I'll be getting some time in it fairly soon as it is going together very quickly. Getting mildly interested in it, wish the doors were as big (tall, specifically, for getting things like electric mountain bikes in) as my S-7. After 3200 hrs in two different S-7s, I still can't believe how satisfied I am with them for my kind of flying.
Faster would be nice, but I want to continue landing my place as easily as I do now. Pretty sure a S-21 would be a handful, the 7 is a puppy dog, as would a S-20 (same wing of course). Maybe a S-20 with a 915?!

Is the 21 wing wing a lot different from the 7 or 20? Or is it basically a 20 with metal wings? I don't know and like learning because I want to build a plane one of these days.

Beats me, all I know is that the S-20 uses the same exact wing as the S-7s, which is a big selling point for me re the 20. A lot like a T- Craft wing, in my mind anyway, and based on 117 hrs in a T cart. High praise indeed.

Cool beans. Will be interesting to see.

Cool. And for the crowd it's intended for it will work well. If you're going off road, stick with the S7.

mtv wrote:

Crzyivan13 wrote:I like that there is a steel cage integrated into the design. Is that a first in an "all aluminum" airframe? Anyone?

Maules, Mooneys, to name a couple.....

MTV

Helios, notably.

denalipilot wrote:

mtv wrote:

Crzyivan13 wrote:I like that there is a steel cage integrated into the design. Is that a first in an "all aluminum" airframe? Anyone?

Maules, Mooneys, to name a couple.....

MTV

Helios, notably.

I learned something today. Never knew that about the Helio's.

Mike, what I should have said was, "Is that a first to have an integrated a steel tube frame (crash/roll cage) into a semi-monocoque fuselage?"

It seems like RANS is undercutting their S-20 sales with the new S-21. It seems like they have the same mission profile and layout but the S-21 is a bit more capable. Were sales of the S-20 too slow and not competitive with the competition? It will be interesting to see how this plane does. The background information suggests there is a new design for the D-Cell portion of the wing, but no mention of the spar design. Does this still use a tubular spar, or have they gone to an I-Beam type spar given this plane is stressed for +6 & -4Gs?

I hope the cabin is tall enough so you can actually see out of it. There are some fantastic airplanes that have some less than stellar visibility. T-Craft for one. I hate that sitting in a tunnel feeling. I am exaggerating a bit here but here but still, good to excellent visibility would be great.

Courierguy wrote:.

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Beats me, all I know is that the S-20 uses the same exact wing as the S-7s, which is a big selling point for me re the 20. A lot like a T- Craft wing, in my mind anyway, and based on 117 hrs in a T cart. High praise indeed.

Rans S20 Raven Wing vs Rans S21 Outbound Wing Specs.

Wingspan 30 ft 3 in vs 28 ft
Area 152.7 sq ft vs 141 sq ft.
Mean Cord 5 ft vs 5.06 ft
Aspect 6.0 to 1 vs 5.53 to 1

I also think ?? there may be some subtle differences re the leading edge.

S21 Outbound Profile View



S20 Raven Profile View



S7 Courier Profile View

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207856364501988&set=pcb.10207856366262032&type=3&theater

Go to the above link for some photos of the wing. Looks like an extruded leading edge spar. I like the looks of it, but wish it was the same span as the S20 (S21 is one foot shorter per side, and gives up 10 square feet of wing area because of it). Cockpit steel structure looks very similar to the S20.

Maules are 4130 Chrome-molly fuselages covered in Ceconite. The wing is all aluminum.