55wagon wrote:Haven't watched em yet.. Contactflying guy. Your posts make me remember why I never did well in school. It takes me a lot of concentration and brain power to try and decipher your seemingly brilliant Posts. If you would be so kind sometimes to write in plain redneck language sometimes so this duster pilot could learn a few more things. Not a dig but man I feel like there should be an exam after everything I read of yours. Maybe I just need to concentrate harder. Ill read it on the toilet. I think good there.

Yup... I'm just a Sled driver, and I don't know what half those words mean.

Gump

GumpAir wrote:

55wagon wrote:Haven't watched em yet.. Contactflying guy. Your posts make me remember why I never did well in school. It takes me a lot of concentration and brain power to try and decipher your seemingly brilliant Posts. If you would be so kind sometimes to write in plain redneck language sometimes so this duster pilot could learn a few more things. Not a dig but man I feel like there should be an exam after everything I read of yours. Maybe I just need to concentrate harder. Ill read it on the toilet. I think good there.

Yup... I'm just a Sled driver, and I don't know what half those words mean.

Gump

I have no doubts contact is just as backroad as any of us here, and while I really appreciate his excellent posts, this one sentence convinced me he is no doubt one of us ;

contactflying wrote:... I explained in crop duster talk in mine. The educated stuff is pledgerism. I have just started using his really smart sounding and scientific terms.

pla·gia·rism [pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-] noun

a piece of writing or other work reflecting such unauthorized use or imitation: “These two manuscripts are clearly plagiarisms,” the editor said, tossing them angrily on the floor.

ple·dger·ism [pleh-jur-ism] noun

A word your wife will use when you take her lemon Pledge to polish your airplane windows. " You need to get your own damn window cleaner, I am getting tired of all your pledgerism"

All this reminds me of word Z once used to describe the contents of one of my posts, perhaps it is the same here?

pu·gi·lism

On a more serious note, I was once chastised by one of our more 'authoritative' members in one of these canyon turning discussions. The source of his angst was my suggestion that not all turns 'feel' equal for the desired effect. HIs short response was that loading the wing is the only way it's gonna turn tighter, which of course is correct when describing a flat turn.

I dropped the discussion at that because the intent of my post was lost in cyber space... I have no doubt in a face to face friendly discussion we would all end up at the same place. I also have no doubt that if getting an airplane turned around in a given radius is the only parameter, either method discussed in this post is going to yield satisfactory results. What works best is not what someone preaches, but what you can actually pull off, knowing exactly how much real estate you need. We have all heard people discuss how their airplane will turn around within a wingspan using a canyon turn... pshaw... This is simply not physically possible with the airplanes we are flying... Not to mention in the half a minute ++ you are going to take to execute this turn, the wind will have moved you many times farther than that...

unpracticed, I would venture to speculate that most folks aren't going to get one bent around (flat) in less than 600'. and worse yet, most folks have not the practice to guestimate distance for beans, and this gets compounded by altitude and the lack of reference subjects...

Heh heh... pugilism.

No one should ever be criticized for eloquence and mastery of the written word. Volume of words on the other hand...

Rob wrote:HIs short response was that loading the wing is the only way it's gonna turn tighter

Here is a nice summary...

http://people.clarkson.edu/~pmarzocc/AE ... 429-12.pdf

Rob,
Thanks for the help with my poor spelling. Ever time I try to get the little arrow over the spell check and click, I click the wrong thing and lose the whole thing. That happened with this note and I don't remember what I was saying. Oh! Yes I used pledge all the time on my windscreen. The owner of Brenco Aerial Patrol was so cheap, he budgeted maintenance. I once went two weeks (50 hrs) on one mag until he would get me another. Yet he believed in and bought us Rain X. I started using that.

Robert Reser's book is good and his language is immaculate. When I reviewed it, there were little bubble things you could comment right in the text with. How did such an old guy learn to use computers that well?

I meant no disrespect in my post at all. Didn't mean to come across that way I did. I know how that feels. And I was a spelling bee champ 5 years running. I can't believe I missed that grammatical error!! Geez rob. Ease up on the guy

No sweat, GI.

55wagon wrote: Geez rob. Ease up on the guy

55, you should be fixing an airplane, my slow season is approaching

As far as contact... IMHO , which don't count for much, contact is the good stuff... Only reason I busted his balls on the pledge is because I knew he was from a generation that could take it

Totally messin with both u guys rob. I don't know what your talking about. Ain't a dam thing wrong with my plane. Can't enjoy my plane so I figured I'd rib people on bcp.

I own one of contactflying's books. Read it and after a few pages the descriptions are all very clear. He even has a few stick drawings to make it all better.

I found a video that I'm sure has been posted before ( I can't find it), that helps in understanding the slip and skid stall.

http://youtu.be/xwrfEsCiltc