and I never could get a loop, it always stalled. Never hit the ground but it was close.

I didn't know Mr. Hover, but Doug Rhinehart could do that stuff nicely in a Tri-Pacer for real. I bought the Tri-Pacer from him. He did shows in his Rose Parakeet.

Lol, putting a tailwheel on the back of a skylane doesn't help the roll rate any!

Terry wrote:Lol, putting a tailwheel on the back of a skylane doesn't help the roll rate any!

Imagine wing extensions. That would give new meaning to "two minute turn"

Terry wrote:Lol, putting a tailwheel on the back of a skylane doesn't help the roll rate any!

My C150/150TD was pretty sporty to fly- I think getting rid of that big old nosegear hanging down improved the roll rate as well as "destabilized" it. I used to do aileron rolls in it, wasn't any competition to a Pitts or something like that but it would go around OK. A friend of mine tells me he had a buddy who rolled his 180, but after flying mine I have no desire to try it.

My 150 trike did pretty good rolls. Not like my Citabria, but not bad. But I don't have the desire to try it in my 180.

A1Skinner wrote:My 150 trike did pretty good rolls. Not like my Citabria, but not bad. But I don't have the desire to try it in my 180.

My buddy did one in his bastard child 180,and it turned out exactly, I mean exactly just like the above video The plane is capable, but he needs a little instruction.

First thing I noticed when transitioning from a 172 to a shortwing was how slow the cessna was at roll. Never noticed it before, but now they kind of seem like a dog in roll rate which of course has pros and cons like all things in aviation.

Add rudder and on many airplanes you will get a noticeable increase in roll rate. According to his book, the legendary British aerobatic pilot Neil Williams used this technique to win an aerobatic competition in a Cosmic Wind racer !

Add enough elevator, and you'll get a real nice roll rate

If you don't add rudder to roll its doesn't work very well at all. I guess I thought it was common knowledge that rudder was needed.

Hypothetically speaking........ does anyone think they could do a barrel roll in a 180 / 182 / 185? Maule?

Pretty sure those planes aren't approved for aero, but hypothetically speaking....

I heard the designer of the Bearhawk did roll it one time, just to show it could. I haven't tried!

Sure it would be possible. There are youtube videos of yahoos doing a barrel roll in a 172, and executed properly it is a postive 1G maneuver so the plane and engine shouldn't really care.

IMHO the key term is "Barrel Roll", and not "Aileron Roll". You can execute a perfectly good, low-stress, 'Bob don't spill the iced tea (because it's Long Island iced tea)' barrel roll in almost any airplane. Not legally, of course, but like the guy said in the original movie "Airport", a 707 can't read. Apparently, Tex Johnson once had a problem reading in a 707 too

The Barrel Roll is about a 1.5 to 2G maneuver, and is coordinated with rudder and elevator. I believe it's safe to say that the key to this maneuver, especially in a non-aerobatic airplane like a 182, is to start the maneuver with the nose above the horizon by 20 degrees, already rolling and yawing.

I'd start off with a slight nose-down attitude, bring the nose up and initiate full left aileron and half left rudder as the nose comes up through 15 or 20 degrees above horizon. Don't forget to reduce the throttle as the airplane starts to get to the the top (inverted) part of the roll.

I'm sure we have lots of acro pilots here with much much much more experience than I have. Feel free to correct me on any of this. I'm speaking from very limited experience rolling Cessna aircraft... they had a 150 Aerobat at the flight school... back when Nixon or Ford was in office

I think you are talking about an aileron roll. They are a 1G manuever when done right. I'm pretty sure a barrel roll pulls more Gs coming out on the bottom, as there is a lot more altitude change through the maneuver. An aileron roll in my Citabria required full rudder and full aileron.
Heres a drawing of the difference.

I misspoke, aileron roll is the term I was meaning to use.

I had to step back from this one earlier today...
thanks to those who have spoken up
a 180/185 will do either roll, nicely. been there done that.
our friend who started this thread..... might want some dual before going at it in the real world though.
A very schooled aerobatic/ airshow performer/ former ag pilot shared, that a really good way to speed up roll rate is to unload (remove the g load) from the wing to speed up hte roll rate. WOW ! it REALLY helped me. I thank him mentally, frequently (!)

Took but a moments search to find this...

http://youtu.be/6_97dyN6r1U

Battson wrote:Hypothetically speaking........ does anyone think they could do a barrel roll in a 180 / 182 / 185? Maule?

Pretty sure those planes aren't approved for aero, but hypothetically speaking....

I heard the designer of the Bearhawk did roll it one time, just to show it could. I haven't tried!

Bearhawk rolls fine.
...as will any of the others listed.

Someone showed me this the other day.

Though not quite a 182, the video underlines the fact that it is a 1G maneuver and when done properly, theoretically it could be done quite safely. Although, not sure that anyone on here has the credentials to match the pilot on this clip.

When you google the test pilot's name and background, it makes the video all that better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHq9W-6qd1k

JB

In case anyone takes this too seriously, the point is aimed mostly at guys such as myself that might have taken an aerobatics course in a hotrod extra or Pitts. If you've ever mused about rolling your daily driver, just know that it takes a loooong time comparitively. it was interesting to me to discover (on the sim) how much quicker and easier a King air rolls. There's no sensation on this sim and the petals are touchy, so it's not much for manuevers, but it's a safe way to scratch an itch.