Titties are ok but the real fun is about 21" lower....

How bout' we start a new talk about Titties or something? Laughing all this chit chat about the Faa and who is a moron is getting pretty old. Evil or Very Mad

I tried that (see my levity post) but the jackals couldn't be torn away from the kill. Must be something wrong with me - I'd much rather drool over some T&A than talk regulations.

qmdv wrote:I think that the narc is from this forum or somebody that saw them on the ground. If I were a betting man it was from this forum because the FAA has all the posts. And it was done anonymously. and once the feds have the letter, they have to check it out.
Tim

This may be true, but not necessarily. I had heard about this from a friend who doesn't even know what an internet forum is and doesn't have a computer. Aviation is a very small community. I know it's hard to believe but most of the backcountry folks I know don't even surf the net. Most don't have "the e-mail" yet. Word of this kind of thing travels far and fast. Right now there are people sitting around a table at an FBO that have never flown near Idaho, enjoying coffee talking about this.

Aviation is like living in a small town.

low rider wrote:How bout' we start a new talk about Titties or something? all this chit chat about the Faa and who is a moron is getting pretty old.

I like the way Low Rider thinks !! But, I'm getting a little worried about Bumper .

low rider wrote:How bout' we start a new talk about Titties or something? all this chit chat about the Faa and who is a moron is getting pretty old.

Sounds G (o)(o) D to me!

onthegas wrote:

low rider wrote:How bout' we start a new talk about Titties or something? all this chit chat about the Faa and who is a moron is getting pretty old.

Sounds G (o)(o) D to me!

Pretty funny onthegas!! T (o)(o) k me a second, but got it!!

I just got back from a week at Sheble's (finished my instrument and commercial land and sea) It's amazing how much I missed reading this forum. I don't want to fuel the fire but I was wondering what pilots were supposed to do before cell phones? Or if there isn't a road to walk out on? I'm all for safety and have on more then one occasion chosen not to fly then to fly a rental that I wasn't satisfied with but that was my choice the IA (one I obviously do not trust ) kept telling me that it was ok. Part way through my private I decided that I was not going to fly certain planes in the fleet because I was not comfortable with them. I'm not an IA or and A&P but if you fly the same plane every day you know when something isn't right I couldn't tell you what but I knew something was off. 7 months later one of the planes crashed after takeoff. The instructor did exactly what he had to do and he and his student walked away unharmed. This could have happened with any of the planes and it very well could have been a coincidence but the IA who kept telling me that the difference I was noticing in the plane was nothing wasn't getting in it with me.

Wow,
I guess to summerize, (the way I see it which does NOT make it the way it was, just he way I saw it OK?)

1. If you make a mistake, keep quite about it, don't try to teach others from your mistake. at least not in public unless you have some kind of immunity or something.

2. Any internet posting is I guess like putting it up on a big sign board on the highway. Don't put anything out there on the internet that you wouldn't put on a sign board. MY wife is a middle school teacher, and according to her a lot of little girls are learning this the hard way, for example.

3. If for some reason you fly an aircraft that the FAA say's shouldn't be flown or in conditions that you shouldn't fly in etc., once on the ground, stay there.

4. Mon. morning quarterbacks are every where, it's easy to point out someone else's flaws. If you feel the need to, try to be nice about it. There is nothing to be gained from name calling. If you are in fact trying to persuade someone to your point of view, calling them names is seldom an effective way to do that.

5. I hate to say this, but maybe not all of our peers are our friends, or maybe with friends like that, who needs enemy's?

I think you can figure out that someone flew an aircraft they shouldn't have, a couple of times, talked about it, and were turned in for doing so.
It's more complicated than that of course, but that is the cliff note version.

Remarkable restraint a64pilot!

A64 wrote: I hate to say this, but maybe not all of our peers are our friends, or maybe with friends like that, who needs enemy's?


That's a really sad statement but also remarkably true. I fly big jets for a living and someone is always scrutinizing every move that is made. Even the innocuous ones. You know its there and you expect it. The great thing about this forum is the levity, the honesty, and the camaraderie of the FUBARS we do. Looking over your shoulder here was never an issue. I guess we're back to the one percenter theory where one percent of any group of people are s#%&heads. Let's keep the anecdotes coming, we'll just make them hypothetical.

Lucky Star wrote:A64 wrote: I hate to say this, but maybe not all of our peers are our friends, or maybe with friends like that, who needs enemy's?


You know its there and you expect it. The great thing about this forum is the levity, the honesty, and the camaraderie of the FUBARS we do. Let's keep the anecdotes coming, we'll just make them hypothetical.

Wow you gleaned all that in less than 2 weeks

I am submitting my editorial comments, which will likely get this thread moved to hot air, where maybe it should be, as it appears to have run it's course.

There is a fundamental problem with our society today that can be summarized in a single flaw that has been introduced by liberal thinking.

We simply lack personal responsibilty.

We have been told, by our left winged liberal leaders, that the individual is no longer important and the good of the community is paramount. Individuals are simply unknowing victims that need to be part of the community if they want to be protected. To be part of the community you need to take steps to help protect the community. You need to faithfully pay your debt to the community and in turn the community will provide you with an ever growing list of things that you will need to get through life. The only reason you aren't receiving the things you need now is because of the damned individuals that won't go along. Once the hold outs are crushed, utopia will be realized.

Having said all that, I think you can now all agree that when you turn in or rat out an individual, that has done something that may endanger the community, you have actually protected the community and done a great service for which you are to be applauded. How dare you individuals question or berate the "community protector". Don't you believe it "Takes a Village" ? What is wrong with you people ?

Welcome all to Communist America !

BTW, there are those, in the community, that will be offended by this. Tough ! There are also those that may have the misconception that they're liberal ( it's very trendy after all ) but may actually be Liberatarian and may agree with some of the above. Good !

Just my .02 and not the opinion of the management, so don't hold anybody but N6EA responsible (as an individual)...

sstjames wrote:I just got back from a week at Sheble's (finished my instrument and commercial land and sea) It's amazing how much I missed reading this forum. I don't want to fuel the fire but I was wondering what pilots were supposed to do before cell phones? .

Well, to answer your original question.

In the old days (meaning pre cell phone, PLB, etc) if you flew out, landed wrong and broke something or had engine problems you would:

a) Get out your duct tape and safety wire, jack the broken part up and figure out how to fix it.
b) If it was fixable, you did.
c) If not fixable by your own self, your drinking buddies knew the general area where you were, and they’d fly out and help.
d) Then the group of you would figure the fix, do it, and when you felt you had it all together, you’d fly the thing home.

When you got back to your home strip several things always happened:
a) Everyone would wander out to see what you did.
b) Everyone would take great pleasure in telling you how dumb you were, and how they’d never fly with you ever again.
c) You’d supply the beer as everyone pitched in to repair the damage, and somewhere along the line your mechanic would show up to check it all out and sign off the log book.
d) You learned not to do whatever you did ever again, and you didn’t.

It was very simple back then.

Gump

In the last two weeks there have been over 165 aviation accidents with 39 fatalities and several people seriously injured. A lot of broken airplanes and a destroyed house. Most of the dead are not pilots, and therefor, innocent victims.

Statictially, most of these will be ruled pilot error.

Whatever your belief is, the fact is that the GA safety record is not great. A far cry from the airlines.

Why, because a lot of pilots make lousy decisions. None of these pilots got up in the AM and said, hey, I think I will kill myself and a handful of people today.

So at what point do you step in? You may not want to protect others, but you probably will want to protect yourself from the public outcry to close airports and increase regulation of GA.

I guarantee you that there will be an outcry to close Seaside after the terrible accident this week. Come on guys, 3 children in their beds?

If I follow your logic, then heroin addiction, drunk drivers and lying mortgage brokers are all victimless crimes and should not be enforced.

Like it or not, we all use and benefit from the Federal air system and only pay a very small part of the costs. Yet any suggestion of higher fees sends everyone over the edge.

Isn't this "Back Country Pilot" dot org website? Meaning dirt strips, gravel bars and the like, and out of the way, away from people and on your own having a good time? I think you need to actually read my posts. Heroin addicts, drunk drivers and mortgage brokers aren't mentioned anywhere I can find. I answered the girls' question about how it was done in Alaska and other parts of the world, even Kalifornia, in the "old days." Nothing else.

Gump

Gump,

Living in the People's Republic of Kalifornia, I hate regulations. I can't even use my land anymore due to the County regulations.

But I do not believe in anything goes either. There are some of the rules that protect me and my loved ones.

I have considered moving to Idaho on several occasions, I just like the weather here and refuse to give into the enviro-nazis.


My point is simple, where is the line? I saw a guy try to take off with a bent prop and several people ran out in front of him and stopped him. Had he continued, he would not have made it, there was a passenger. Should they have just sat on the side and let him go? How dare they interfere with his personal decision?

mauleace wrote:My point is simple, where is the line? I saw a guy try to take off with a bent prop and several people ran out in front of him and stopped him. Had he continued, he would not have made it, there was a passenger. Should they have just sat on the side and let him go?

I understand, and I agree, we as human beings do need structure and rules. But like the guy with the bent prop, and like you mentioned above with the addiction issues, booze drugs and cigarettes, you can't legislate stupid. A guy dumb enough to take-off with a bent prop, is too stupid to pay attention to any kind of rules. Common sense dictates why even have a "bent prop" rule, it's like telling someone they have to breathe or they'll die.

Gump

N6EA wrote:BTW, there are those, in the community, that will be offended by this. Tough ! There are also those that may have the misconception that they're liberal ( it's very trendy after all ) but may actually be Liberatarian and may agree with some of the above. Good !

What's the matter? BCAH not getting enough traffic?

You do love your labels, don't you? Next thing I know you'll be calling me Canadian. If we go down this road of discussion this thread will end up in the dreaded forum where nobody notices. Not everything is political.

Gump,

I am a big fan of personal responsibility and think that the fact that common sense is un-common is why we have the rules we have. The Darwin Awards remind me of just how stupid is and what stupid does. Too bad many of them live long enough to reproduce.

I am just tyring to understand where the line is for you. So, if the drunk driver crosses the line and hits you and you end up in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, that is OK? If that is not OK, then you probably would want to have that guy arrested before he ran into you because although most drunk drivers never harm anyone, drunk drivers do harm a lot of people. So how do we know who the professional drunks are from the amatures?

And yes, our legal system is very imperfect and there is a lot of harassment and prosecution of innocent people. There has been a lot of debate about this and we are not going to solve it here.

I understand what Gump is saying.