If you are parking it in 600' it sounds to me like you're hitting pretty damned close to the spot already. Good job!

Find some old, picky, cranky CFI who keeps telling you you're landing too short, too long, not on the centerline, etc. Make sure he has grey hair. If he wears a plaid shirt so much the better. If you can stand to listen to the old SOB you might learn something. I know I did.

once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:Most contests I've seen don't allow you to add power on final.

Well, I've never been in a spot landing contest in my life, but one of my instructors who does such things told me about it, then demonstrated it to me as I described it. My apologies, I was only trying to enrich your dull lives with my vast repertoire of knowledge!

DITTO on the no power on final. I came in #2 in this spot landing behind a guy who flew a 7GCBC..go figure!

kevbert wrote:

once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:Most contests I've seen don't allow you to add power on final.

Well, I've never been in a spot landing contest in my life, but one of my instructors who does such things told me about it, then demonstrated it to me as I described it. My apologies, I was only trying to enrich your dull lives with my vast repertoire of knowledge!

Well, a modified version of your technique is to keep your power in throughout the pattern, and a shallow short final behind the power curve hanging on the prop. That certainly is a spot-landing contest technique. Whether it is a good idea in the backcountry is situational

The spot landing contests I've been in have, by about maybe 75%, been "do whatever you want with the throttle" type. The other 25%, being of the, "don't touch the throttle on short final" type, seem to have about the same results! That is, the same pretty much amount coming close and the same amount wildly further, with some right on the money. Sitting right on the line, (off to the side, way off to the side) at a fly-in with a spot contest, is about the most fun you can have in sprot aviation, most educational also.

Why would you ever want to land short? If you can just BARLEY get in then you ain't gettin out.

Seems a pointless skill to me. Now, short field takeoff, that's worth while.

Why would you ever want to land short? If you can just BARLEY get in then you ain't gettin out.

Seems a pointless skill to me. Now, short field takeoff, that's worth while.

Spot landng, not short landing.



Maybe you would like to go to Lower Loon. 800' ???? No problem you say. One way strip, and you miss the mark, touching down 400' up the strip. Maybe you were a little fast???? Now you may have a problem. It is pretty handy to be able to put the plane where you want it. Maybe you want to be able to miss some bad spots/obstacles in a strip??? A good skill to develop.

First time I ever heard anyone that flys, question learning a skill that pertains to flying, particularly backcountry flying where you may need all the skill available, and a little luck .

If you are not able to land where you want, you may land where you don't want.

Gary

GlassPilot wrote:Why would you ever want to land short? If you can just BARLEY get in then you ain't gettin out.

Seems a pointless skill to me. Now, short field takeoff, that's worth while.

Shortfielder...

Did you miss the moniker? GLASSPILOT!

Bob

Ye, I saw it.

once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:Most contests I've seen don't allow you to add power on final.

I've never participated in, or even watched a spot landing competition. I would think that the most skilled pilot of a particular bunch would be determined by a power-off landing, so I get that bit. I guess one can assume if you can hit it power-off, your chances are much better power-on, so practice power-off.

I'm guilty of not practicing engine-outs enough. Gonna do that next time out.

I know, I know. It's important to be able to put it where you want it. I guess I was just trying to make the point that most times you need every inch to get in then you can't get out and to be careful out there. Many a pilot has landed only to find out they can't take off.

GlassPilot wrote:I know, I know. It's important to be able to put it where you want it. I guess I was just trying to make the point that most times you need every inch to get in then you can't get out and to be careful out there. Many a pilot has landed only to find out they can't take off.

True for some planes, but there are plenty of good STOL planes that can "get out" as short, or shorter than they "get in".

But it seems many planes are more limited by pilot ability than anything else. Hence the reason why spot landings are great practice.

mountainmatt wrote:

GlassPilot wrote:I know, I know. It's important to be able to put it where you want it. I guess I was just trying to make the point that most times you need every inch to get in then you can't get out and to be careful out there. Many a pilot has landed only to find out they can't take off.

True for some planes, but there are plenty of good STOL planes that can "get out" as short, or shorter than they "get in".

I agree with matt...can always get it out shorter than I land..and I'm sure matt can do that also.

Maybe Glass Pilot is coming up "short" instead of on the "spot" due to the BARLEY in the glass he's flying.

One does not necessarily have to be able to fly it out. One may just be looking to get the damned thing on the ground and get out alive.

I can imagine that Amanda Franklin is happy that Kyle was able to put the Waco into the only SPOT that the Waco could allegedly fit into.

Chris C

GlassPilot wrote:Why would you ever want to land short? If you can just BARLEY get in then you ain't gettin out.

Seems a pointless skill to me. Now, short field takeoff, that's worth while.

Really depends on the plane I can always get off shorter than I can land.

Case in point would u touch down where I take off here:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=oGj6UfKbQp8

Zane wrote:I'm guilty of not practicing engine-outs enough. Gonna do that next time out.

Are you going to use the tried and true method of running the tanks dry, or the new but old technique of a dead-stick takeoff from the top of a mountain followed by landing it below?

kevbert wrote:

Zane wrote:I'm guilty of not practicing engine-outs enough. Gonna do that next time out.

Are you going to use the tried and true method of running the tanks dry, or the new but old technique of a dead-stick takeoff from the top of a mountain followed by landing it below?