Just got back from a local airport meeting on this issue. It becomes effective 30 Apr 09. I know everyone here likes to land off airport but it's nice to come into town once and a while. Basically if you visit an airport with commercial service you will have two options.

1. Have a STA (security threat assessment) completed and badge issued.

2. Be escorted by someone who has been through an STA and badge issued.

I can barely believe what the TSA folks were telling me. Each airport must conduct it's own STA's and they are not valid for other airports. So if you wanted to get self serve fuel somewhere that has commercial service after hours you would be in violation. No federal funds have been allocated to complete this mandate. If allowed to continue this may well be the end of GA as we know it. Here is aopa's link, be advised that it has some inconsistencies with the TSA folks at the meeting.



http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...8security.html

Looks like a bad link there Deven. Couldn't find the article.

Sorry worked last night. My guess is aopa got loaded with e-mails last night, folks were not happy.

Deven wrote:Just got back from a local airport meeting on this issue. It becomes effective 30 Apr 09. I know everyone here likes to land off airport but it's nice to come into town once and a while. Basically if you visit an airport with commercial service you will have two options.

1. Have a STA (security threat assessment) completed and badge issued.

2. Be escorted by someone who has been through an STA and badge issued.

I can barely believe what the TSA folks were telling me. Each airport must conduct it's own STA's and they are not valid for other airports. So if you wanted to get self serve fuel somewhere that has commercial service after hours you would be in violation. No federal funds have been allocated to complete this mandate. If allowed to continue this may well be the end of GA as we know it. Here is aopa's link, be advised that it has some inconsistencies with the TSA folks at the meeting.



http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...8security.html

Looks like were getting it at Boulder City,NV. with all the commercial operators taking little folks out to the canyon .Think I'll move my hanger
over to the ultralight strip to get away from that crap. I've got another place in Northern AZ. where I can put up another hanger. I already have a"stinking badge" ------ tsa puke ! Put a sky marshal on every flight -here we go. Of course this is done for "security" ---not, more like control !
The reason I fly my own airplane is so I don't have to put with all the B.S.
they pass out on the airlines. I don't want another 9/11 but lets get real here when was the last time you saw a Cessna 150 crash into a object -
object- 1 Cessna -0 .

I got another Idea arm EVERY flight > When you check in at airline-x you'll
be ask if your a U.S. military Veteran(this should be checked to see if they are or not U.S. Military Veteran=computers are a wonderful thing) and would you mind helping flight crew to it's destination ? Then give your "volunteer " a side arm to help keep the bad guys from taking over -maybe 4-10 per flight (depending on how many passengers)scatter them around the cabin . Couple of bullets( or stun guns) a piece should do the trick. I'd go with men say over 40 years old. Any Military Uniformed personnel would automatically thrown in to the "security" effort. Guns would be issued by the captain and locked in a safe when not in use. Be turned in when flight reaches it's destination.

I don't want another 9/11

Evidently you don't think like me. I believe 9/11 was part of the plan to get all this started----Homeland Security,TSA,STA's etc. I don't understand people that seem to think controlling other people is the greatest feeling in the world.

Did a black helicopter just fly overhead? I better put on my aluminum foil helmet so the CIA can't listen to my thoughts. I heard the moon landing was staged too.......

I'm pretty sure the whole 9/11 as a government conspiracy theory thing has been shot down over and over again by rational human beings.

Check out http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Conspiracy theories are easy answers to complex questions......oh...and they're REALLY LAME!!! The government can't keep even basic stuff quiet, what's the chance that some vast government conspiracy would stay secret?

I cannot imagine what would happen to the next dumb SOB that tries to hijack an airliner...those days are over, my friends. TSA is installing the alarm after the jewelry shop has been robbed...and all to feed the masses.

The bigger question begs: how are we going to get young people interested in flying with all of this? There are going to be airlines for a long time to come, and they need pilots.

gb

Here is a link to the TSA document on thier website. The part that applys to airport security starts on page 57, they say it will only apply to 315 new airports nationwide and not all of them will have the complete program.

http://www.tsa.dhs.gov/assets/pdf/nprm_lasp.pdf

Dale this is a totally separate issue from the large aircraft security program. They briefed last night that it will effect 450 to 500 airports. Any airport that has 121 ops. In addition they are taking comments on the large aircraft, this security directive they are not. What you see is what you get. It is simular to the 3 oz rule when traveling by airline. The directive itself will not be disclosed to anyone except TSA, on a need to know basis.

I am confused

So after April 30th would I be in some sort of violation if I Landed at Sacramento airport in my 182B and taxied to the GA area, took the shuttle to the terminal to wait for one of my kids to come in comercialy. Then take the shuttle back to GA and head back home.?

Will they just publish a list of airports to stay away from?

Tim

No Tim I think they'll let you know when they slip the bracelets on and pull your ticket out of your pocket.

gb

If you don't have an STA for Sacramento then someone who does will have to escort you from your aircraft to outside the airport operations area. During normal business hours the FBO will probably be happy to provide that service to you. If you wanted to leave after FBO hours then you would have the issue of no STA (badge) and no escort. This in effect closes the airport to transient aircraft. Which our airport manager stated they could not do legally and still take federal money.

What I got from the meeting was that TSA has no concept of GA, and there has been some sort of implied threat. Gives a real warm cozy feeling as to what concepts in america they do have correct.

How do you get a STA for another airport-- say you're on the East Coast going to the West Coast?

They couldn't answer that question, or a lot of others. Like how do you even know if that airport on the west coast even has commercial service? My afd seems to be lacking.

So how will it be enforced?
Are there going to be thousands of TSA standing around (oh wait, there all ready are ) out on the ramp waiting for a poor unsuspecting student pilot to fly in and buy gas? Even if they do catch someone, what are they going to do? It's not as though they can arrest you, can they?

Sam,

Don't you think that's in fact part of the plan? This agency has, as one of its primary objectives, to become (if they're not already there) the largest, most powerful agency in the government.

Hey, if every little airport has to have TSA screening 24/7, that just means more TSA, right? Oh, and guess who pays for it?

These guys not only don't have answers, they don't have a CLUE.

MTV

Everybody in government is an empire builder. TSA is just doing a better job of it.

Tim

Deven wrote:Just got back from a local airport meeting on this issue. It becomes effective 30 Apr 09. I know everyone here likes to land off airport but it's nice to come into town once and a while. Basically if you visit an airport with commercial service you will have two options.

1. Have a STA (security threat assessment) completed and badge issued.

2. Be escorted by someone who has been through an STA and badge issued.

I can barely believe what the TSA folks were telling me. Each airport must conduct it's own STA's and they are not valid for other airports. So if you wanted to get self serve fuel somewhere that has commercial service after hours you would be in violation. No federal funds have been allocated to complete this mandate. If allowed to continue this may well be the end of GA as we know it. Here is aopa's link, be advised that it has some inconsistencies with the TSA folks at the meeting.



http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...8security.html

Is this just for public airports that are funded by the Govt. ? I think small
private airports are exempt from this B.S. -think anytime you land at one that tsa controls you'll have to get a have pass. Can't wait to see tsa agent at ghost ranch,Cabin Creek or Rockwall . My daughter worked for tsa for several years and they Brain Washed these tsa folks to harass the traveling public. That tsa job screwed her up for life.

SamIntel wrote:So how will it be enforced?
Are there going to be thousands of TSA standing around (oh wait, there all ready are ) out on the ramp waiting for a poor unsuspecting student pilot to fly in and buy gas? Even if they do catch someone, what are they going to do? It's not as though they can arrest you, can they?

Think GESTAPO!...if you don't understand the meaning..look it up in the Webster's Dictionary.
I am not joking! As what has already been said on this thread...a govrnment agency that wields power is wanting more. You may not know that you're commiting a crime because yesterday this was not a crime it was one of your freedoms that you just lost and you didn't realize it was for your own good.
This CRAP really scares me!
HC

Dale, EAA returned a call this morning and told me that this started out as part of the large aircraft proposal but was issued as a security directive later. So I may have been wrong on that part. I was trying to relay what I got out of the meeting.

Edit new blurb on AOPA, implimentation date pushed back to 1 June.

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2 ... _id=ebrief