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URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

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URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

I dodged a bullet yesterday through sheer luck. I'll write the caution first, then tell the story after.

If anyone buys the Ethanol-Free, 91 Octane Unleaded fuel from Golden Gate Petroleum for use in light aircraft, be advised that they may be pumping bad fuel. So bad that an engine will not run at all. I assume that one delivery truck serves multiple locations. https://ggpetroleum.com/locations/. I have met with the local manager, told him what happened and furnished photographs. I wrote an email and suggested they suspend sales until they can resolve the problem. I haven't heard back.

I say "may" and "possible" for now, until they confirm to me, but if you read my story below, you'll see that I spent most of yesterday investigating the situation and my friend and I have concluded that there is very bad fuel coming out of the pump at the store.

In my Rotax-powered Aerotrek A220, I've been running this Ethanol-Free, 91 octane unleaded fuel from the local Golden Gate Petroleum gas station/convenience store here in Gardnerville, Nevada. As Rotax operators are aware, 100LL is approved but lead deposits in the gearbox shortens the TBO, plus the other usual concerns about lead deposits in small, high-revving engines. Therefore this fuel seemed like an excellent alternative and it was available nearby.

Friday evening I filled four 5 gallon fuel cans, drove to my hangar at the Minden airport, and poured two of them into my 30 gallon, hand crank, portable fuel caddy, which was under half full. I then noticed that the Yamaha quad that I use primarily as an aircraft tug was low on fuel, so I topped it off then poured the rest of that third can into the fuel caddy and brought the last can home to keep with other cans for use on the ranch in mowers, woodsplitters, etc. I knew that the wind was going to kick up by mid-morning Saturday and I wanted to just fly the pattern and make a few landings, as I've been up at the lake flying the amphib and wanted to exercise the little taildragger and me in it.

Saturday morning I opened the hangar door and started the ATV so I could pull my amphib out to access the A220. The Yamaha started but then sputtered and quit. I repeated this cycle several times with varying amounts of choke and throttle. My hangar neighbor, who is a motorhead, tried too. We couldn't make it run at all. Not just rough. Wouldn't run at all. After a while we quit and while he offered to help pull and push my amphib (twice), I decided it was getting late and I didn't want to work that hard just for a few landings. (The 182 on Aerocet 3400's, which is in front of the A220, is pretty hard to push and pull by hand.)

As were discussing what could be wrong with this ATV that ran fine Friday morning, it donned on me that the only thing I had done to it was to add that fuel. I called the Golden Gate Store and asked if they had any reports of problems with the fuel and they said no. I told them what I suspected and said I would follow up. I went home to where I had left the remaining 5 gallon fuel can in my shop. I poured some of the suspect fuel into it and photographed it. I then found another existing can of the same product, tagged 5/2020, and poured some in the Gatts jar and took a picture. Here they are.

Sample 1. From the Friday evening purchase.

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Sample 2. From the May 20th purchase.

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I then defueled my walk-behind Toro 4 stroke lawn mower (which had run fine a couple days prior on the May fuel), re-fueled with the new gas. It wouldn't start at all.

I then drove to the Golden Gate store and purchased a couple of gallons from that same pump and took a sample and photo. For one thing, I wanted to refresh my memory and rule out that I had pumped from some other pump. Here it is.

Sample 3. From the Saturday purchase. Image
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I went inside and met with the store manager, told him about my "investigation" and showed him the pictures. He asked me to email the photos to him, which I did. He said he'd report to his boss. I repeated that I was likely not the only small airplane owner/operator using this product and suggested they consider putting that pump out of service until the issue is resolved.

I then stopped at the Maverik gas station and bought about three gallons of regular 87 octane (contains ethanol) and drove back to my hangar and met up with my hangar buddy again. We siphoned all the fuel out of the ATV tank then poured the fresh Maverik fuel in. After cranking several seconds, it started, ran a little rough for a few seconds, the settle down and ran smoothly. He drove it around a bit to warm it up then verified that it idled smoothly.

Then we went to my Aerotrek A220 and siphoned some fuel out of the wing tank into a small mason jar.

Sample 4. From the Aerotrek wing tank. Purchase date unknown, but over three weeks ago.

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So the fuel bought three to five weeks ago all has a pale yellow color and runs fine. The new fuel, purchased Friday and Saturday from the same pump as before, is colorless and won't run at all.

Had it not been for my topping the ATV off, I would have pulled out the A220, folded the wings out, fueled it from the portable caddy, fired up and taxied out. We know that the engine would have quit, but when and where is unknown and likely a function of the ratio of the existing good fuel and the new bad fuel. Just my luck it would have been just after rotation!

As a result, regardless of the results of further investigation into this incident, I've decided to quit running "street" fuel in my Rotax. I'll buy the more strictly controlled avgas 100LL, and just accept the shorter gearbox service interval. I used to run a Kitfox 80 HP Rotax on 100LL and it always ran fine. I didn't keep that plane long enough to overhaul the gearbox, but I stay in touch with the guy who bought it and he's still flying it.

If I learn more, I'll post about it.

Pierre
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Interesting. And an anomaly of course. What seems odd is that no car drivers were storming the station reporting problems. But I don't blame you for raising hell with them!

I have fueled strictly with mogas for the last 30+ years, and have never had an issue of any kind, and see no reason to change. And that lately includes E-10 regular, 87 octane, mo gas, which my 912S burns just fine. I do have a Zipper BigBore mod though, the low compression (but more cubic inches) one, that allows me to burn regular, if above 2500' ASL.
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

If I was you, I'd be using the superior 10% ethanol fuel. It burns a lot cleaner. What is that 100 octane fuel for over $7 a gallon? Hopefully not their way of selling E85 that is over 100 octane.
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

The equipment you put that new gas in are acting just like there is water in it.
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tcj wrote:The equipment you put that new gas in are acting just like there is water in it.


I agree, that's how it acts. But even without the blue color of Avgas, I'm pretty sure I would see the water/gas line and detect water in the jar.

Any fuel specialists out there with any other ideas? I'm thinking about sending the samples out to a lab.

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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Any chance it is pure ethanol, or a much higher ethanol:gasoline? That would be one reason for no visible water-fuel boundary.
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Avgas is more expensive, but part of what you're buying is traceability and accountability...something you just don't get with mogas.
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

I just emailed your post to two other Minden Rotax guys that buy at Golden Gate. Thanks!
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

I was contacted by management from Golden Gate Petroleum yesterday. They are looking into it and will follow up, however he told me that mine was the only complaint, and he seemed credible, so for now it seems I should continue looking into other explanations.

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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Good catch. I run 91 ethanol free in my Maule and my Quicksilver with a Rotax 582. It is filtered as it comes out of the pump into my transfer tank. Then filtered again from my tank into the plane. Never had any kind of fuel problem. Always a concern. I am religious when it comes to checking fuel. Cheers
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Does anyone do a routine test on the clear 91 they buy?

As mentioned up above, it sounds like e10 with a good amount of water suspended.

IIRC the test for ethanol uses introduced water to collect the ethanol, but what if your fuel already has eth+water in it?

I guess you can add some food coloring + water in a narrow jar, mark the level. Then add your fuel. Shake it. If after a while the colored liquid level raises up above the mark, there is ethanol. Maybe you can conclude the water will come out of suspension too?
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Zzz wrote:Does anyone do a routine test on the clear 91 they buy?...............
IIRC the test for ethanol uses introduced water to collect the ethanol, but what if your fuel already has eth+water in it?.....


I think the water test would work for that too.
I water-test every batch of 87 octane E-0 I buy,
I've yet to find any ethanol in it.
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Zzz wrote:I guess you can add some food coloring + water in a narrow jar, mark the level. Then add your fuel. Shake it. If after a while the colored liquid level raises up above the mark, there is ethanol. Maybe you can conclude the water will come out of suspension too?


So I totally get the interesting science aspect of all this...but damn...avgas doesn't cost that much more, and lead scavenging additives are readily available and quite effective. Those additives might not be "approved" for certified engines, but compared to the crap-shoot of mogas, who cares? Unless someone has a flower of an engine that simply can not tolerate any quantity of lead, I don't see the savings...or at least the value in the savings.

Now if some distributor wants to sell 91 lead-free with the same tracking and accountability that avgas carries, I'd be interested. But trusting what you get out of the gas-station/mini-mart/casino/brothel in something that takes you airborne...no thanks. Fuel issues are, if I recall, the number one cause of mechanically induced airplane crashes. Pretty silly to discuss inertia reel harnesses or helmets or nomex clothing if you're running mystery gas to save a thousand bucks per year.

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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Mogas is about 1/2 the price of 100LL in Albuquerque which is a considerable savings. I have 1680 hrs on my 912 with no problems.. Flying over 200 hrs a year the savings in fuel cost is substantial.
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Magnet wrote:Mogas is about 1/2 the price of 100LL in Albuquerque which is a considerable savings. I have 1680 hrs on my 912 with no problems.. Flying over 200 hrs a year the savings in fuel cost is substantial.


Yes, and I don't think your experiences is unique...a lot of people run mogas without issue. But if the only reason to run mogas is cost savings, I'd argue that aviation is expensive, and fuel is the absolute last place a person should economize.

Admittedly, I'm a coward. Getting worse by the year, too. Like most pilots I play the "what if my engine quit right now" game while I fly as a way of keeping my mind on potential landing areas. I bet there isn't 2% of any flight I take where I think "got it...right there". There's maybe another 5% where I think "might survive that", and the other 93% of the time I just hope for a miracle or a quick death.

So I personally don't see the value in the savings. Others do, and that's fine...but as this thread proves, it's not without some additional risk. Mogas simply isn't manufactured, transferred, or stored with the same care and diligence as avgas. When a sputtering engine is the prelude to almost certain death, another $20 per hour in fuel costs doesn't matter, to me at least.
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Hammer wrote:
Magnet wrote:Mogas is about 1/2 the price of 100LL in Albuquerque which is a considerable savings. I have 1680 hrs on my 912 with no problems.. Flying over 200 hrs a year the savings in fuel cost is substantial.


Yes, and I don't think your experiences is unique...a lot of people run mogas without issue. But if the only reason to run mogas is cost savings, I'd argue that aviation is expensive, and fuel is the absolute last place a person should economize.

Admittedly, I'm a coward. Getting worse by the year, too. Like most pilots I play the "what if my engine quit right now" game while I fly as a way of keeping my mind on potential landing areas. I bet there isn't 2% of any flight I take where I think "got it...right there". There's maybe another 5% where I think "might survive that", and the other 93% of the time I just hope for a miracle or a quick death.

So I personally don't see the value in the savings. Others do, and that's fine...but as this thread proves, it's not without some additional risk. Mogas simply isn't manufactured, transferred, or stored with the same care and diligence as avgas. When a sputtering engine is the prelude to almost certain death, another $20 per hour in fuel costs doesn't matter, to me at least.
I believe the OP stated that he runs a Rotax. Not sure what your experience is with that engine, but I assure you that if you see the innards of a 912 that has lived on 100LL you will not advocate for its use any longer in that engine.
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

I don't have any experience with Rotax engines. What would I see on the inside of a Rotax that had been run on 100ll?
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Hammer wrote:I don't have any experience with Rotax engines. What would I see on the inside of a Rotax that had been run on 100ll?
A nice coating of that stuff those clinkers are made of that you clean off your spark plugs in the cylinders and reduction gear along with mandatory 25 hr oil changes with TCP added to the fuel.
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10 years running with no issues. The savings will Cover overhaul on a 1500hr TBO o-470.
Only negative I’ve experienced is my IA doesn’t like the smell.
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Re: URGENT WARNING: POSSIBLE BAD FUEL AT GOLDEN GATE

Several months back I had a minor issue that I thought might be related to the fuel. I buy E0 91 from a specific station because the owner is a gear head and wants good fuel for his own motorized toys. That’s the whole reason he carries E0 91. I got ahold of him, told him what was happening and he said he would look into it. He could trace the fuel all the way back to the refinery. He couldn’t find any other reported issues or any out of the ordinary remarks. I thought it was pretty cool how traceable the fuel is.
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