Wow,

Spend a few days moving half way across the country and a serious debate breaks out. Glad to hear that the Scout I want isn't a POS, but I already knew that for the most part. I just wanted to hear it from guys who fly them out in the BC, since I haven't done that with them. Thanks to everyone for the input.

Rob wrote:Hi Shamu,

If you don't mind me asking, were you towing for Dobry? Just asking because I do some towing out of LGB as well and know he has about 8 or 10 scouts. That in itself should say alot about what a scout can do....

On the otherhand, the AP scouts are usually towing billboards on the order of 30'x100'.... the "otherguys" are towing as big as 50'x120' on cubs.... and of course none of this means much in the context of how you will fly your plane.

Take care, Rob

Rob, I did work for Bob at API. Flew a couple of years for him and had a great time. Yep, for the most part we did just fly 30'x100' size billboards, but occasionally we did fly bigger.

Matt

These Scouts that take off with in 100 ft of a cub are the CS Scouts? I fly with around with a guy with a fixed pitch Scout and he uses about 500 more feet than my cub.

Tito wrote:These Scouts that take off with in 100 ft of a cub are the CS Scouts? I fly with around with a guy with a fixed pitch Scout and he uses about 500 more feet than my cub.

Perhaps he had Jackie, Jermaine, Marlon, and Michael for lunch?

The Scouts I've seen that perform the best have the fixed pitch prop, with a CLIMB pitch.

You can pitch one of those fixed pitch props anyway you want it, within limits, by just taking it to your friendly local prop shop.

Now, I have NOT yet flown a Scout with the MT prop. That prop pulls like a tugboat on everything else I've used it on, and it's LONG, so it might be a hot ticket on the Scout as well. It is a lot lighter than the CS prop (20 pounds) and about the same weight as the fixed pitch.

MTV

The Jackson Five thing is crackin' me up! I thought the exact same thing when I saw the "Tito" handle.

Didnt know there was so many Jackson 5 fans on the site. The Scout I fly next to has a 8040 prop a believe. The thing seam like a real dog to me.

All I thought of from that handle was the Grand Star of Yugoslavia not the Jackson 5

And here I thought it was Tito Ortiz, of UFC fame.

How is the fuel burn on the scout?

D.

Idaho SuperCub wrote:I guess we should let the numbers speak. Especially in alaska. These aircraft numbers are for US registered aircraft only.
Scout numbers in four selected states. Total U.S. registered 115
Alaska 7
Idaho 13
Montana 13
Utah 1

Piper SuperCub PA18-150 only, I do not mention the additional numbers of lower hp SuperCubs (Pa18-135 etc. or Top Cubs)
PA18-150 Total U.S.Registered 2275
Alaska 873
Idaho 36
Montana 128
Utah 15

As far as your challenge, I have flown aircraft as light as the J3 Cub, to the B777, soon the B787 Dreamliner. 20,000 hours and counting, I guess I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I also don't need to prove the capabilities of a legendary aircraft. As I have said, I have flown the Scout and I am not impressed with it. As far as to the SuperCub, why is it everybody always refers to their aircraft with SuperCub type performance.
Say hello to your flat land Scout boys in Boise!

Idaho SuperCub
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I think your numbers aren't right. There are more Scouts @ Chena Marina in Fairbanks than your numbers show in total. You need to go under the Bellanca 8GCBC in your N number search. I own a 1977 cub and a 1974 scout. They are both great aircraft, but they both have their pros and cons. I went to Oshkosh this year and American Champion is working on a Scout II, anyone have any information on it? He said it will have a flying tail and probably a fowler flap design.

ALABAMA - 5
ALASKA - 57
ARIZONA - 2
ARKANSAS - 2
CALIFORNIA - 24
COLORADO - 6
DELAWARE - 3
FLORIDA - 6
IDAHO - 6
ILLINOIS - 2
IOWA - 2
KANSAS - 1
KENTUCKY - 1
LOUISIANA - 6
MARYLAND - 7
MASSACHUSETTS - 1
MICHIGAN - 7
MINNESOTA - 5
MISSISSIPPI - 4
MISSOURI - 1
MONTANA - 3
NEBRASKA - 4
NEVADA - 6
NEW HAMPSHIRE - 1
NEW JERSEY - 1
NEW MEXICO - 3
NEW YORK - 1
NORTH CAROLINA - 1
NORTH DAKOTA - 8
OHIO - 6
OKLAHOMA - 5
OREGON - 9
PENNSYLVANIA - 1
SOUTH CAROLINA - 1
SOUTH DAKOTA - 8
TENNESSEE - 1
TEXAS - 11
UTAH - 1
VIRGINIA - 2
WASHINGTON - 5
WISCONSIN - 3
WYOMING - 5

TOTAL - 234

Hey now were talking, Scouts again yipee...

I have never regretted getting rid of the super cub and getting the Scout.

More speed, way more comfortable to get in and out of.

Way better heater

Plus enough fuel for the 6.5 hour flights I make.

I think a lot of the cub lust out there is derived from light weight performance. And the fact they were cheap to buy for years.

Put them at 2200 lbs and see how they do. At our strip 4000ft 2200lbs
I operate out of the 600ft mark all the time, very easy.

I know several Super Cub flyer's that go past that before the wheels touch.

So yep them super duper pilots can make those cubs sing alright.

But there's guys that can roll 737s to.

Two different aircraft two different missions, they should not be compared with each other as they often are.

For that one or two times I need to operate a uncomfortable slow airplane really short, I guess I will be stuck just taking pictures.

I know a dealer in Idaho who has a large inventory of scouts for sale. Did they ever enlarge the baggage compartment ? All I know is that I could not pack a small suitcase in the baggage compartment.


IdahoSupercub

Idaho SuperCub wrote: All I know is that I could not pack a small suitcase in the baggage compartment.


IdahoSupercub

I have a Honda generator, 4 man tent, table, hot plate, coffee maker -40 sleeping bag, water, ropes, food for ten days, axe, shotgun, etc in mine all winter. Plus my suitcase and a hefty briefcase.

When my wife goes we have to add her bag to. That's one reason to leave our wives at home

On the belly?What happened to all that metal structure back there? Can your pax access it flight?


IDSC

I agree with Mr Scout. I first owned a scout with a fixed pitch climb prop. My buddy had a light weight 160 hp super cub. The cub consistanly beat the scout both in and out, but by only by 100 feet.

After a year flying together, we actually traded airplanes so I had the cub for a year or so. Lots of fun, but little room. I'm 6'5" and 220.

Next thing, I get a pipeline flying job, and went back to a scout. I get paid by the mile, not by the hour. I always take off with 70 gallons of fuel and usually just me, and off on my 500 ft strip, no problem.

Now if I was just flying for kicks, I'd consider another cub, or a juiced up PA 12.

I did fly my super cub cross country from eastern Ohio to Edwards AFB, then up to Yakima were I sold it.

I try to get to Alaska every couple years. That trip in a scout is 30 hours. The cub would take 40 each way.

If I want speed, I will fly a Bonanza or sadly to say with high fuel costs, fly the airlines. I have two marked settings on the throttle. It used to say: Open - Close. Now it says: Slow - Slower .
Its like the difference between the F15 and the A10, it all depends what you are using it for .

IDSC

The Scout works well if you have to travel a long distance but still want a little bit of bush capability. I'm not a hardcore guy, I'm not going to jeopardize a bunch of money to land in places I shouldn't or don't need to be in. The only reason I bought a Supercub was because of 100LL out in rural Alaska. I have a sorenson belly tank on my Scout and I have a good 7-1/2 hours of running time and that works out well for me and gives me a good 800 mile range when I'm on floats. It will pretty much pack whatever I can stuff into her. Don't really want to say how much cause of self disclosure and the FAA. I did have to replace the spars in her. I put the new Rainbow spars in and so far so good. I think if you don't put the wing into the ground you should be alright. It's a good plane if your not into big rocks and long props kind of stuff.

KLK.

How do you like the belly tank? I've been rebuilding a scout for sooooome time. I picked one of those tanks up from ebay a while back for that plane. I didn't get any paper work.

Now I am floping back and forth, thinking about getting the factory wings with the 70 gallon tanks. Would not need the belly tank in that case. If you know of anyone who wants one, I might sell it if I'm between flops.
John

American Champ has finished the work to put extended baggage in the Scout. You have to move the battery to the firewall where it should be anyway. You have a choice of regular battery or the Hawker Oddyssy.
There are tabs that weld to the lower longerons if you are rebuilding, or adel clamps for an existing plane. They have put the changes on the TC so no STC to mess with. I have ordered the baggage and the Hawker battery move and will keep my scout brothers up to date on the install

Jim