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Hi All,
I've found that I was haveing problems hearing and understanding the radios in the DC-9 , I was turning up the volume and I was useing the in ear type of head set. I was chating about it with another guy and he said that the noise from the in-ear was too close to the ear drum and would cause damage. I purchased a Senhieser(?) ANR set and the problems cleared up and all was good. The only thing I can say is be carefull of just turning up volume, even thou it may cost a big chunk of money you cann't buy back lost hearing. good luck in reaching your goal. Tom
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Glad you agree we need to get back to the old days. A prime example of misuse of tax dollars happens every year in your juristiction. Having to go save people who get in trouble on Mt McKinley. People who want to risk their butt should be made to post an insurance bond or be stuck in their own demise. This is hardly significant in our countries money problem but it shows people think someone else needs to bail them out.
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7853H wrote:Glad you agree we need to get back to the old days. A prime example of misuse of tax dollars happens every year in your juristiction. Having to go save people who get in trouble on Mt McKinley. People who want to risk their butt should be made to post an insurance bond or be stuck in their own demise. This is hardly significant in our countries money problem but it shows people think someone else needs to bail them out.


I was hoping to stay out of this fray, but you obviously have no idea what a minute, immaterial amount of the federal rescue dollar this represents compared to lost kids, overturned canoes, drunk altercations, etc, etc... You would be surprised at the amount of self-rescue and climber-assisted rescue that happens on this mountain, and the military air support only fills a legitimate training need, which would otherwise be expended on practice drills. We do want our military well-trained, don't we? Yes I'm a climber, yes I have climbed it. No, we did not take radios or sat phones on our private, two-man climb, because we are committed to self-reliance. How is the ELT in your plane any different, if you go down and someone comes to save your ass? I assume you do have an ELT, don't you?


Once& Future- You have undoubtedly seen that the NRA and DOI Secretary Kempthorne are now appealing to the administration to loosen restrictions on private citizens carrying loaded firearms in national parks. One more reason to have trained people in the job, and good luck to you if it goes through. I know folks hold their gun rights pretty dearly on this site and I respect that. I have my own small collection- but come on folks, national parks??

OK, I feel better now. Let the blowback rain down from the sky...
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Yes I should be allowed to carry in YOUR national park Oh did I say your when I do believe the national parks belong to the citizens of the us.
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I did not grow up in a country where the employees of the gov were the only people allowed to have a gun. I believe I would move to Russia if that was my desire.
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denalipilot wrote:How is the ELT in your plane any different, if you go down and someone comes to help save your ass. I assume you do have an ELT, don't you? OK, I feel better now. Let the blowback rain down from the sky...


I'm with you. I WANT to see my tax dollars spent on a helicopter coming to get me if I have to put down in the middle of nowhere. Just as I want my tax dollars spent keeping GPS up and running, and other services one should expect from a civilized nation in the 21st century.

It's my responsibility as a citizen to be productive and pay taxes, just as I see it as my country's responsibility to provide services with that tax money. What chaps my hide is welfare... From the bottom feeding lowlife too lazy to work, up to, and especially including the corporate welfare that we see now.

Losing MAST is a crime, just as is the loss funding for schools, Medicare, and just about every other program that effects the Average Joe. The poor don't give a shit, they stay placated with booze and dope. And the rich just rake in more profit and get richer. They don't care about us either. But, the poor don't pay taxes, and the rich shelter their wealth (which is just a fancy word for not paying their taxes, or in my book, stealing), which leaves guys like us here on this site to pay for all of them, and get shit on for doing it. Arrrrrgh.

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7853H wrote:Yes I should be allowed to carry in YOUR national park Oh did I say your when I do believe the national parks belong to the citizens of the us.


WRONG, I'm not with the NPS, or any other federal agency. I just work alongside of a lot of good people in both public and private employ, and a few regrettable ones in each realm as well. Like Gump would say- hey, at LEAST they're WORKING
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I was against faa imposed ELTs when they started in the 70's. They have been shown to be a problem and now the faa wants a new sat system that does away with elts. Whats that say about how efficient our gov agencys operate.
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7853H wrote:Glad you agree we need to get back to the old days. A prime example of misuse of tax dollars happens every year in your juristiction. Having to go save people who get in trouble on Mt McKinley. People who want to risk their butt should be made to post an insurance bond or be stuck in their own demise. This is hardly significant in our countries money problem but it shows people think someone else needs to bail them out.


Denalipilot wrote:Once& Future- You have undoubtedly seen that the NRA and DOI Secretary Kempthorne are now appealing to the administration to loosen restrictions on private citizens carrying loaded firearms in national parks. One more reason to have trained people in the job, and good luck to you if it goes through. I know folks hold their gun rights pretty dearly on this site and I respect that. I have my own small collection- but come on folks, national parks??


Both of you would probably be surprised at my personal views on these issues, but like anyone, I have my personal views, and my professional views, and sometimes they match and sometimes they don't. Both sides of my brain are in clear alignment when discussing whether government pilots flying government planes should be flying government missions and whether doling out tax dollars to air taxis to keep them in business or improve their profit margins should be a justification or even a consideration for outsourcing flights and that there are other considerations to be considered besides a $ bottom line, and so I don't mind saying so on this site. In the meantime I rescue people who should know better, and I prosecute people who should know better, and I go home at night with a clear conscience and try to remember who I work for - all 300 blessed million of them (many of whom do NOT live in Alaska, are NOT a member of the NRA, or Handgun Control Inc. or the Sierra Club or the John Birch Society or any other club.)
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Re: Working for USFS or NPS as a pilot?

TexasNick wrote:Hey guys, How's it going?.


Well.... Now that we've answered that question, hope we haven't soured you from starting flying in that J3.

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Gump,
Thanks for bringing up the GPS...it's tax time at the hammer household, and I get so frustrated seeing what I spend verses what I get that I want to....well, I'll not finish that thought.

But I do just absolutely LOVE the GPS system. I think it's about the only truly great thing our government has done for us lately. I'm sure that's an over-statement, but I'm buggered if I can think of anything else that compares.
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Why not carry in national parks? I would feel much better knowing that licensed law abiding citizens can carry a concealed weapon in a park. There is nothing stopping those with ill will from carrying in a park, so why not level the playing field?
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7853H wrote:I was against faa imposed ELTs when they started in the 70's. They have been shown to be a problem and now the faa wants a new sat system that does away with elts. Whats that say about how efficient our gov agencys operate.



7853H wrote:If you crash so hard to destroy your ELT and other radios your dead anyway so don't worry about the electronics. On all your trips file a flight plan or tell another person your route !!!!!


...and filing a flight plan with FSS shows more self reliance than using an ELT how, exactly??
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That big dawg's barking up the right tree. I agree!
Re: rescues... it does tick me off to hear about an expensie rescue op to go save someone who was ill- trained and ill-prepared for their attempted adventure. "i think I'll go hiking off in the snowy mountains in my windbreaker & birkenstocks...". But if I get into trouble you can damn well bet that I'll be crying for help!
An H-60 "Seahawk" (or whatever-hawk) SAR crew from NAS Whidbey flew into my airport yesterday and ate lunch at the cafe. Someone I know later griped about them "going out to eat on our nickel". I reminded him that they had to fly and otherwise train to keep current, why not have some fun while doing so? BTW, they made a cool nose- high flaring approach & landing, very cool looking.

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bigdawg wrote:Why not carry in national parks? I would feel much better knowing that licensed law abiding citizens can carry a concealed weapon in a park. There is nothing stopping those with ill will from carrying in a park, so why not level the playing field?


This is something I am not actually losing a lot of sleep about one way or the other, but here's the position of the National Parks Conservation Association, just to present one view of the issue. If someone wants to link another viewpoint, great:

http://www.npca.org/media_center/press_ ... 22208.html
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zero.one.victor wrote:Re: rescues... it does tick me off to hear about an expensie rescue op to go save someone who was ill- trained and ill-prepared for their attempted adventure.
Eric


Perhaps the reason you hear about rescues in mountains disproportionately is that it makes better headlines than rescues of people who crash their cars while talking on their cell phones. I used to rescue plenty of those people in mountains myself. New Hampshire actually passed a "Reckless Endangerment" law at the time, where if a judge decided that someone was just obviously, egregiously being a dumbf*ck, then they were liable for the cost of their rescue effort.

As a group of pilots here, I think we ought to remember that the general public thinks we're just as crazy as the climbers, or maybe more so. All this ranting against climbers could just as easily become a witch hunt against our chosen hobby/ vocation, on somebody else's forum.

Live and let live
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zero.one.victor wrote: In fact, the only Washington DFW airplane I've ever seen has been a Beaver on wheels.


Eric,

I was just at the WA Dept of F&W hangar. They've got the Beaver on wheels, another DHC-2 on amphibs, and two C-185s on wheels. The chief pilot says they fly about 400 hrs/year. They're also in the process of buying a Partnavia. Ugly, ugly fixed gear twin. They've talked about positioning a plane on the east side of the Cascades, but found it cheaper to outsource during the winter when they're trapped in Olympia.

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I think you guys will get your wish soon enough. Gov got out of FSS and soon will be out of ATC. They should get out of law enforcement and FSDO. I dont think they should plow the roads in winter time also. If you want your road plowed pay or do it your self.
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Be a great day when they get out of FSDO. I had rather have no FAA than the over controlling and worthless over paid so called engineers who are afraid to approve or work with the GA guy.
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over paid


Ever notice how everybody else is "over paid". :lol:
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