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10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

Okay, that's not really the title of the webinar. But thought iPad and Android techies might be interested in this:

"FREE WEBINAR - 10 Ways Your iPad Can Cause An Accident or FAA Violation"
Topic: Night Flying for Fun and Safety- Tips from a pro how to enjoy and be safer at night!
On Monday, December 29, 2014 at 18:30
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2801 E Spring St

Long Beach, CA 90806
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This is a must-attend webinar for anyone who uses iPad, Android, and Handheld GPS. With the increase in popularity, a huge increase in FAA violations and pilot mistakes has happened as well. Come learn 10 simple steps to protect yourself and your pilot certificate.

Your speaker, Gary Reeves, is one of only a few Master Instructors in California and is the 2014 Flight Instructor and FAAST Member of the Year for the Long Beach FSDO. As an ATP with over 5000 hours he is a true expert on Night flight.



To view further details and registration information for this seminar, click here: http://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/event_de ... ?eid=59430

The sponsor for this seminar is: FAA Safety Team
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

I'm curious enough about it to take the webinar--put it in my calendar this morning. I can imagine a violation if the GPS is non-WAAS and the pilot relies on it to get too close to a B ring without clearance or prohibited area, for instance, or worse yet relies on the GPS altitude readout to scoot just under a B ring without clearance. And I can certainly see how staring at an iPad instead of looking out the windshield could lead to an accident. But the rest of the 10 reasons elude me right now.

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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

Yeah I have a feeling of morbid curiosity myself.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

So, 5000 hours and an ATP make him "truly an expert on night flight"?

And, what the hey does night flight have to do necessarily with a mobile device?

Could be interesting, maybe.

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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

One very basic problem is solved if you do not use the iPad as your primary nav, which is doable if you have a certified nav in the aircraft, such as a 430W. Never rely on the GPS in an iPad as a primary navigation system, other than using it the same way you would use a paper chart. They are simply not that accurate. The little airplane symbol on your iPad is good for situational awareness only, and can be off by quite a bit, especially if it is near other electronics, such as that cell phone you forgot to turn off...in fact as I read Canadian regs for instance, you need to turn off the "Ownship" symbol when using an iPad for charts. That is probably an excessive restriction, but they clearly do not want you to rely on that to determine your position. It is also important to verify that a powered-on iPad does not adversely affect the certified navigation equipment on board your specific aircraft before using it as an EFB. This is an FAA requirement.

The same is true if you use an uncertified GPS, such a 496 or 696 to navigate near restricted or other controlled airspace, or in the vicinity of obstacles in restricted visibility. If you go close to such airspace or obstacles, use your certified nav systems for real electronic navigation. And most of all, use your eyeballs outside the aircraft in VFR.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

What's wrong with a 496? It is a WAAS GPS and It's very accurate in my opinion. It just isn't "certified" meaning I didn't spend $10,000 on it. I trust it to keep me outside the lateral boundaries of different airspace nearly every time I fly, seems to work just fine.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

mtv wrote:So, 5000 hours and an ATP make him "truly an expert on night flight"?


Kinda wondering the same thing..... :shock:

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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

It is also important to verify that a powered-on iPad does not adversely affect the certified navigation equipment on board your specific aircraft before using it as an EFB. This is an FAA requirement.


Yeah we did this to all our aircraft types, twice in fact to cover both FAA and EASA EFB programs. Tested them with a DAO facility with WiFi, Bluetooth, and 3G all turned on. Not a single NAV on board anything was even remotely affected. Wet compass a little if you held the iPad close to it.

Funny how something that can tell you if you are parked in your driveway, or in the right freeway lane, and is approved for LVP (low visibility procedures) for ground taxi that has the highest demand on NAV accuracy, suddenly is so inaccurate that this clown master of dick-all predicts you'll eat FAA violations like popcorn.

Our company has a regulatory challenge to the whole "ownship restriction" going on, solved in the meantime with 2 iPads on board - one is the designated EFB, the other isn't and has all the ownship location information on electronic maps and plates. BTW, EFB is something specifically approved by the FAA for your operation, carrying an iPad in your Supercub doesn't make it an EFB.

You guys seem pretty spooked by the Feds and the risk of breaking a regulation, didn't you go backcountry to get away from all that?
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

If that doesn't draw a crowd, maybe a seminar on "why the government wants to take away your facebook account" would. I gotta admit, I'd like to at least see the executive summary.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

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It is also important to verify that a powered-on iPad does not adversely affect the certified navigation equipment on board your specific aircraft before using it as an EFB. This is an FAA requirement.


Yeah we did this to all our aircraft types, twice in fact to cover both FAA and EASA EFB programs. Tested them with a DAO facility with WiFi, Bluetooth, and 3G all turned on. Not a single NAV on board anything was even remotely affected. Wet compass a little if you held the iPad close to it.

Funny how something that can tell you if you are parked in your driveway, or in the right freeway lane, and is approved for LVP (low visibility procedures) for ground taxi that has the highest demand on NAV accuracy, suddenly is so inaccurate that this clown master of dick-all predicts you'll eat FAA violations like popcorn.

Our company has a regulatory challenge to the whole "ownship restriction" going on, solved in the meantime with 2 iPads on board - one is the designated EFB, the other isn't and has all the ownship location information on electronic maps and plates. BTW, EFB is something specifically approved by the FAA for your operation, carrying an iPad in your Supercub doesn't make it an EFB.

You guys seem pretty spooked by the Feds and the risk of breaking a regulation, didn't you go backcountry to get away from all that?


Very well written!!!!!!! Anybody who flies Part 135 will understand what you just said!!!
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

robw56 wrote:What's wrong with a 496? It is a WAAS GPS and It's very accurate in my opinion. It just isn't "certified" meaning I didn't spend $10,000 on it. I trust it to keep me outside the lateral boundaries of different airspace nearly every time I fly, seems to work just fine.


Your 496 is MORE than accurate enough to get you around any airspace you want to.


Provided...... You trust, but verify.

I think the dipshits getting in trouble, are the same ones who go blasting around VFR with eyes in cockpit watching nothing but their screens. Kill the Master switch and they'd have no clue where they were or what to do. Same as the folks who drive their cars off the end of piers because their Garmin told them to turn left here.

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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

So I wonder what Mr. 5000 Hour Expert would think of this...

http://www.popsci.com/xavion-ipad-app-can-make-emergency-airplane-landing-autopilot
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

Add a ballistic chute and just fill the airplane with passengers. No reason for a pilot to go along for the ride.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

GumpAir wrote:Add a ballistic chute and just fill the airplane with passengers. No reason for a pilot to go along for the ride.


Pretty much. Just drop your iPad in the "dockpit" and off you's go.

Just wondering if it's poor form to surf the internet on your "iPilot"?
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

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mtv wrote:So, 5000 hours and an ATP make him "truly an expert on night flight"?


Kinda wondering the same thing..... :shock:

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Webinars are generally not my bag, but I do try to learn something from anyone I can... Having said that, my opinion and experience has been that a guy with 5000 hours (specially 5K in one flight regime) is generally more dangerous than a guy who is fairly new at the game... :shock:
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GumpAir wrote:Add a ballistic chute and just fill the airplane with passengers. No reason for a pilot to go along for the ride.


And the correct time piece on your wrist of course.

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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

"FREE WEBINAR - 10 Ways Your iPad Can Cause An Accident or FAA Violation"
Topic: Night Flying for Fun and Safety- Tips from a pro how to enjoy and be safer at night!

Anybody who introduces his knowledge in arbitrary terse statements has "his head up and locked". Seems like sometimes people want flying more dangerous than it really is.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

robw56 wrote:What's wrong with a 496? It is a WAAS GPS and It's very accurate in my opinion. It just isn't "certified" meaning I didn't spend $10,000 on it. I trust it to keep me outside the lateral boundaries of different airspace nearly every time I fly, seems to work just fine.

I'd be really curious to fly an approach with a certified WAAS panel mount unit and a handheld WAAS unit and see how different it really is. I can't imagine its much different.
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Re: 10 reasons why the FAA doesn't want you to use your iPad

So did anybody watch this webinar?
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