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170 skylite kit?

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ruplanecrazy wrote:Hello, This is Timbre Houlton. My wife was playing around on the computer and found my name here.

If you are still wondering about skylights in the 170 I have installed them in 3 different 170's over the years. I installed them in my 170B back in 1987 and really like them,

I used all 180 parts, made a new top cabin skin, Would not need to do this if you want to mess with filling rivet holes. You have to move the two original roof stiffeners out board and install a third. They only difference is the fact that the 170 fuel vent is in the way of the center stiffener so I modified the center stiffener. I have had all three of them field approved.

I have not installed headliners in the planes so can't say how much time it would require. but I had less than 30 hours into the sheetmetal including pulling the wings and reinstalling them. you don't need to pull them but it makes the skin work much easier. drill old roof skin off, use as a pattern, transfer all holes except for the old stringer holes.

If you are still interested would be glad to help with info.

I posted a few pictures of mine when I installed them.




Timbre:
Several years back I remember a web site about 170's -Belive there were a bunch of 170's based out of a Gravel pit . Saw the skylight pictures and always wanted some. I've got drawings and paperwork for putting a full
top skylight in a taylorcraft BC-12 .It (skylight area) is really opens visibility up -has a curtain to slow down the exposure to sun. Then you can slide the cutain back to look around.
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Timbre,

We have an STC that removes the center cabin vent and re-routes it to the left wing like a 172. We have had the STC for a few years, but have had a problem getting a suitable bleeder check valve. The one that we used in the original installation is not available.

As far as the 170 skylight is concerned, I may be interested in obtaining a multiple STC for the conversion if there is enough people interested to warrant it.

Brian.
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Brian - Steve's Aircraft wrote:Timbre,

We have an STC that removes the center cabin vent and re-routes it to the left wing like a 172. We have had the STC for a few years, but have had a problem getting a suitable bleeder check valve. The one that we used in the original installation is not available.

As far as the 170 skylight is concerned, I may be interested in obtaining a multiple STC for the conversion if there is enough people interested to warrant it.

Brian.


Don't think you'll need STC for skylights if it was ever offered as factory option. When I was a kid my folks had a 170B -it had them as I remember. Use Regular Cessna parts and it's log book entry . Window rings
are available from Cennaparts.com -believe them to be about 200 bucks a pair .
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The domain where the site was located went out of buisness and I have never got around to reposting with a new server.
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These skylights and stiffeners look a little different. This is George Mandes project.
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Correction,

That was George Mandes's project that is now finished and flying. Probably one of the nicest 185 Cessna's that you would ever see. I think the skylights on that were an option. I am going to research the 170 and see if they were an option.

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Skylights were indeed an option on the 185, as were the "patroller" doors.

I don't believe skylights were ever an option on the 170. They're not on the TCDS at least.

Timbre's wife doesn't necessarily go to aviation web sites voluntarily, she's just trying to keep an eye on what he's up to next... 8) .

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What I was interested in is that the 2 stiffeners are in the same place as one with no skylights and the SL's are farther outboard. The top skin is similar for 170,180 and 185 I think.
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mtv wrote:Skylights were indeed an option on the 185, as were the "patroller" doors.

I don't believe skylights were ever an option on the 170. They're not on the TCDS at least.

Timbre's wife doesn't necessarily go to aviation web sites voluntarily, she's just trying to keep an eye on what he's up to next... 8) .

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Try the EQUIPMENT list ! Look for required vs Options.From Cessna when there delivered from the factory. When each aircraft is Ordered it marries up with the equipment list with the aircraft as DELIVERED. I have one for my 56 Cessna 182 from the factory that also shows the location-weight -description and was it required or option. The basic airplane comes (my old 182) one set of controls,no paint, one seat ,Oil Pressure,Cylinder head and oil temp. Airspeed and Altimeter with 3 wheels .The engine is Continental 0-470-l with several options for props and Generators. Type Certificate Data is what is REQUIRED equipment .
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The 170 never came with skylight option. The skylight in the 185 picture is a narrower skylight and some had a third in the middle. The ones I installed are for a 180 and are wider and give a better view.

If the fuel vent was relocated then they would fit just like they do in a 180 with no modificaton. It is not a big deal to mod. the center stringer
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Re: 170 skylite kit?

Found this dormant thread from 8 years ago. Any additional thoughts/ experience with adding skylights to a 170B?

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Re: 170 skylite kit?

I've only flown one airplane with skylights--can't recall whether it was a 172 or 182, but they didn't impress me as being very useful. You'd have to be in a pretty steep bank to look out of them in the pattern--much steeper than most folks fly in a pattern--and they're really too small to give all that much vision anyway. When I flew it, it was a cold day, so heat through the skylights wasn't an issue, but I can say from years and years of experience with sunroofs in cars that without covers, the heat issue would be significant in the summertime. I think it would be mostly a waste of money and time, but that's just my opinion.

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Re: 170 skylite kit?

denalipilot wrote:Found this dormant thread from 8 years ago. Any additional thoughts/ experience with adding skylights to a 170B?

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Get a hold of Kyle Fosso in Anacortes Wa. He put them in his 170.
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robw56 wrote:
Get a hold of Kyle Fosso in Anacortes Wa. He put them in his 170.


I believe Kyle cut the holes and installed them before he attempted to get a field approval. (not the best way to do it LOL) I am not sure if he ever got them approved or not. There are several 170's that I know of that have them installed. For me, the two up front are a must. Several complain about getting too hot, but the dark tint solves this. Increased viz, especially in the pattern is great. I installed two rears in the 185 I am working on now... It really brightens up the cabin. I have the parts in the hangar and will be installing rears in my bird also later this winter.

Use the CC STC. It is pretty well laid out. There is a member here who is just about to start the install now. (I sent him the plans)

NET/NET is its a great mod... Just bring your wallet as its about $2600 in parts alone for just two (if you have a headliner)
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Re: 170 skylite kit?

There is an STC to put skylights in a 170?

How cheap is it if you don't have a headliner?? :)
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Bagarre wrote:There is an STC to put skylights in a 170?

How cheap is it if you don't have a headliner?? :)


Unfortunately no STC for the 170. When I bought mine in 2014, the parts were $200 ea. The last time I checked, the two rings from Cessna (for no headliner) were like $600-700 ea. Probably more now... Totally stooopid
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