Did we have another thread on this shortly after it happened? Sounds familiar. Here's an article on the investigation findings:

http://fearoflanding.com/accidents/loss ... ith-water/

WTF? Darwin award winning passengers.

Sux bad. Real Bad.

All four follow-on comments to the linked article focussed on always wearing the shoulder harness. Should have been on never taking drunk assholes as passengers.

All four follow-on comments to the linked article focussed on always wearing the shoulder harness. Should have been on never taking drunk assholes as passengers.

Isn't there usually a 'chain of errors" leading to most aviation accidents?...
Short chain here, but applies....

lc

hotrod150 wrote:All four follow-on comments to the linked article focussed on always wearing the shoulder harness. Should have been on never taking drunk assholes as passengers.

Exactly. If I was a 135 guy I'd be feeling a lot different now about drunk pax.

I remember when this accident report came out. Crazy situation.

It seems pretty clear that intoxicated persons are not allowed on aircraft, but I see them being allowed on commercial flights after lubing up in the airport bar. I've always wondered about that.

91.17(b) is pretty cut and dried for part 91.

"Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft."

It looks like it is no less clear for part 135:

"§ 135.121 Alcoholic beverages.
(a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage.

(b) No certificate holder may serve any alcoholic beverage to any person aboard its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.

(c) No certificate holder may allow any person to board any of its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated."

An accident like this one makes these regs seem entirely reasonable.

There are drunks, and then there are drunks. For the far north, and I'm sure guys flying villages elsewhere, you get to know your folks, and who behaves or not when liquored up.

I never had a problem myself, of course being a big guy and ex-deputy sheriff helped. But there were some very close calls, and some bad accidents from drunk pax grabbing controls up in Kotz and Barrow over the years.

Gump

GumpAir wrote:I never had a problem myself, of course being a big guy and ex-deputy sheriff helped. But there were some very close calls, and some bad accidents from drunk pax grabbing controls up in Kotz and Barrow over the years.

Gump

Any thoughts on carrying a heater in your side pocket if the pax became too unruly??? I'd never want to be in that situation but I would prefer a lengthy court battle to death, but only slightly

SixTwoLeemer wrote:Any thoughts on carrying a heater in your side pocket if the pax became too unruly??? I'd never want to be in that situation but I would prefer a lengthy court battle to death, but only slightly

Having been involved in two shootings as a deputy, I think I'd rather crash than go through that court nightmare ever again.

But, that said, you gotta do what you gotta do. It's way easier to just get in people's faces and refuse the flight until they sober up. Only takes a time or two and they won't ask ever again, or learn to stay home until they're sober. With the folks in the Arctic, most would apologize next time I saw 'em, and it became a complete non-issue after that.

Gump