I just received this reply from the MSR folks on using Av Gas 100LL in their stoves:

White gas and kerosene are the best options for our multi-fuel stoves.
Most other fuels are not recommended, especially for consistent use, as
they tend to have additives that clog the stove more frequently and may
have adverse health risks. We state that some of our stoves can burn
these fuels (and design them to make this possible) so that someone
traveling to a third world country or really anyone in a remote
situation has backup options for fuel. Sometimes people find themselves
in a situation where that is all they can get, so the ability to cook,
melt snow, etc outweighs the health risks of the fuel. We also have
customers who fly in cold climates and are required to carry a stove
aboard their plane, this allows them to use fuel from their plane in an
emergency situation.
AvGas or Aviation fuel is meant for non-jet or non-turbo prop aircraft,
it generally only comes in two grades, 100 and 100LL but also 80/87 in
some places. The LL is for low lead and it has about half the lead of
the standard 100 grade fuel, if the 80/87 grade is available it has the
lowest lead content. However, it does have lead so you should take every
precaution to prevent the fumes from coming into contact with food and
understand that lead can be harmful to your health.
The best stove for occasional AvGas use is the XGK EX. One could use
the Dragon fly but it will clog more rapidly then the XGK. We do not
recommend using the Whisperlite International for burning AVGas.


Cascade Designs Inc.
4225 2nd Ave. South
Seattle, WA 98134

Considering the high BTU content of kerosene, a small bottle will cook a lot of meals. I personally don't have any issue carrying kerosene (in a container designed to operate under pressure, like the sigg bottle) in the aircraft, so the simple solution seems to be to bring a sigg bottle of kerosene and cook with it. It's not like you're saving any weight by draining fuel out of your tanks to cook with...

ravi wrote:Considering the high BTU content of kerosene, a small bottle will cook a lot of meals. I personally don't have any issue carrying kerosene (in a container designed to operate under pressure, like the sigg bottle) in the aircraft, so the simple solution seems to be to bring a sigg bottle of kerosene and cook with it. It's not like you're saving any weight by draining fuel out of your tanks to cook with...

Prob I always had with burning Jet-A in the MSR stoves is that you can get smoke/soot, and it always seemed to burn cleaner with Av-Gas. But then again, my multi-fuel stove is older than dirt too. Maybe the new ones burn better.

Gump

MSR is ideal,100ll works fine, also use for preheat under engine blanket it ducts in great. John has made me a beliver with regard to the dutchoven.
Bruce

AntiCub wrote:My airplane camping gear is the same as my backpack camping gear. I fly a 150 after all. Mountain house is a staple for me. Camping is a 2 man dome tent, high density foam pad and my Wiggy's sleeping bag. Camp chair is the 5 gal bucket I keep my gear in (also handy for hauling water ).

First time using the quote but here goes.....

For camping/survival you can not beat Wiggy's. It saved a guy and his son a couple of years ago in Alaska when they flipped their floatplane. After swimming back to shore, they crawled into a Wiggy's bag to avoid hypothermia. It provided them insulation even when wet.

I believe USAF in Alaska use the bags. Also if you are military or associated with the Scouts I think he knocks some off the price.

They don't pack as small as down, but the synthetic material will insulate when wet.

Unbelievable quality and can save your life.

For camping/survival you can not beat Wiggy's.

.[/quote] Yep, already got a Wiggy's. Have had it for 4 years. Great bag.

If your plan is to sleep out in the open at -5, the Wiggys bags are the hot ticket. If you plan on that, and it's -20, you won't do so well.

Better to take any decent synthetic sleeping bag, and learn to build a good shelter. It isnt' that hard.

And, THAT is what the AF in Alaska plans on, NOT relying on anyone's sleeping bags. Wiggy's are WAYYYY too heavy for this kid, thanks.

MTV

[quote="mtv" I don't plan on camping out in minus 5 or minus 20 but I know what you mean. Anything over 35 at night and I was sweatin in the wiggy's.

iceman wrote:[quote="mtv" I don't plan on camping out in minus 5 or minus 20 but I know what you mean. Anything over 35 at night and I was sweatin in the wiggy's.

Anything over +35 I just use the overbag. I have the zero rated bag, and it works very well in temps down into the teens (haven't tried it any lower). And I've stayed comfortably warm at -10 with the overbag on it. At least until my thermarest deflated. Why I use a high density foam pad now. I have the wiggys pad too, but it's too soft for rocky ground. Works well on grass or sand though.

Phil

Bump for a great thread.

I have coleman single burner multi-fuel that I think is great.....
otherwise I use propane two burner for large groups.

Hats off to all of you, great post and great info. I stuff everything I think
I may want in the cub...and when it's too much I take out what I really needed ( always find out later) and end up with stuff I didnt use....

That's the way it was in the past, now I have list for each adventure
and write things down as I think of them for the next trip....

Great Fun !!

PS...coleman makes great drip coffee maker, really works Great! and worth
the weight

I have the basic Jet Boil with the cup but I need a frying pan for it. Has anybody tried the one that they offer.

Tim

Thanks for bumping this back up. I've enjoyed the read. Good stuff!

I'm a BBQ nut, so I can't camp anywhere without my Weber Q100 or 120. I pre-smoke baby backs, freeze them and then put them on the Weber bone down for about 15-20 mins...excellent. Burgers, brats, steaks, linguisa for breakfast, sweetrolls warming on a piece of aluminum foil...the Weber gets it done.

Also like a coffee press and an insulated mug. I also freeze homemade spaghetti sauce and have spaghetti a few days after I arrive.

For you folks going to JC, they have a freezer, so freeze some water bottles in lieu of ice for the cooler and refreeze the bottles again. The water bottles don't make a watery mess of your cooler, either.

Some good ideas in this thread.

Yeah I do the spaghetti thing a couple of days when I'm there. You can't beat a huge plate of pasta smothered in Prego in the mountains. Pair it with a good California Cab and it's heaven... I don't bring much food from home though. I do all my grocery shopping in McCall. I have pots and pans to make the pasta in camp. I bring a steak and potato for my first nights meal and shop the next morning for ice and groceries. After flying all day to get there then setting up camp it's about all I have left to throw the steak on the barbie eat and crash in my tent. I've used the frozen water bottles in the freezer several times but at times I've found they were all being used already.

iceman wrote:Yeah I do the spaghetti thing a couple of days when I'm there. You can't beat a huge plate of pasta smothered in Prego in the mountains. Pair it with a good California Cab and it's heaven... I don't bring much food from home though. I do all my grocery shopping in McCall. I have pots and pans to make the pasta in camp. I bring a steak and potato for my first nights meal and shop the next morning for ice and groceries. After flying all day to get there then setting up camp it's about all I have left to throw the steak on the barbie eat and crash in my tent. I've used the frozen water bottles in the freezer several times but at times I've found they were all being used already.

I like the water bottle idea. I like to freeze a container of red beans. The rice only takes ten minutes in a little pot and it's better fresh. I make the best red beans and sausage I've ever tasted. Gumbo too. I made a huge pot of gumbo at my office in Dallas about 15 years ago for a bunch of guys that never had it. They couldn't get enough. Now I'm hungry.

Sorry, I wandered away from the aviation camping topic.

We better be careful, all these guys and ladies going to the fly in will want us to cook for them.....and I don't spend a lot of time over the stove when I'm up there. I do chips and dip and finger food unless I want steak,hamburgers, Hot dogs or spaghetti. But of course there's always the 15 to 18 year old single malt to sip by the fire in the evening. (Aint that right John???)

jmtgt wrote:

iceman wrote: But of course there's always the 15 to 18 year old single malt to sip by the fire in the evening. (Aint that right John???)

Oh that is right, but do not forget the Cigars!!! Right Mark?

You guys keep your stank downwind.

The little webber is a great thing for me,from fish to brats to steak.
Jack d. for me and a Rocky Patel and lights out.

My old MSR does all the fuels,but avgas out of the tank is the best way.

I usually stay on the ground unless the weather is bad,under a tarp that is.

Thats it for now,Great thread tho.

I might as well give my two cents worth, The Coleman Feather 442 dual fuel is the ticket for us, in a pinch I can burn a number of fuels including av gas, get a folding grill that the stove will fit under it’s a lot easier cooking on a larger platform, the 442 will fry a large pan of potatoes or boil a large pot of water in record time. The 442 will also fit under the wood grill like the ones in the Idaho campgrounds making them a platform for the gas stove; we also carry a Coleman liquid fuel lantern.
We transfer camping fuel to MSR 30 OZ. fuel containers, almost bullet proof, I fill them about 7/8 full (room for expansion)
We place them wrapped in an old towel and the stove in a five gallon plastic container, stops any rattle and will soak up any spilled fuel ( has never happened) with a screw on lid (seal removed, don’t want them to explode at altitude, but kept handy in case we need a sealed container for something else)
We carry four containers, two seven gal. and two five, with screw on lids, Each container is labeled with content and weight,with almost all of our camping gear and supplies inside them, the five gal. make great stools and the seven gal. make good tables, they are squirrel and maybe and that’s a big maybe bear proof , they are lighter than folding chairs and tables and ease loading and unloading the aircraft. I know how much they each weigh and I can adjust my CG accordingly.
Can’t wait for Johnson Creek in June!!!