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Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

I'm looking for a set of amphibs for our beaver. We have a nice set of straight 4930's, but the reality of flying the airplane out of the southern Oregon coast on straight floats is not looking good.

Here are the amphib options I've come across with a little research. Please weigh in with your experience. I think I read that MTV had flown a beaver on 4580A's?

Wipline 6000 or 6100: They are available new, and sometimes used, but are expensive and heavy. Good flotation. Difference between them is just a bulkhead???

Edo 4580: Available used, less money than wips, lighter by 200 plus ibs??? Good performance on the water due to the bottom shape and light weight (for amphibs). Difficult to get parts for and a bit draggy in cruise due to the nose wheel folding on top of the float. Might not have any float hatches. Some have been modified with large nose gear and cleveland brakes vs the original goodyears. Gross weight would be limited just to 5090ibs. so might feel underfloated compared to wips

Jobmaster/edo's: Don't know much about these other than several have said they are the "best performing amphib" for the piston beaver. Sounds like they are not approved so require a field approval and possibly more?? There were very few built (less than 10?). Kenmore has some modifications for the Jobmasters, hence the Jobmaster/Edo designation??

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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

I believe that Aerocet makes a set of Amphibs for the beaver as well.

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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

Thumbs wrote:I believe that Aerocet makes a set of Amphibs for the beaver as well.

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Unfortunately no, they do not. They do make what I feel is the best straight float for the DHC-2 mk1, their 5850 float.

Recently one turbo-beaver DHC-2 mk3 was equipped with the amphibious floats aerocet developed for the quest kodiak, their 6650 float. Amazingly the whole package weighs less than the Wipline 6100 they replaced by almost 200 pounds. That’s carbon fiber for you.

As far as the original question from the OP I think you summed up your options pretty well. I have quite a bit of time operating beavers on straight floats but my experience with amphibians is limited to the maintenance side, unfortunately.

I list servicing and repairing Wipline 6000/6100 floats as the most unpleasant part of my maintenance career.

EDOs are mostly ancient junk at this point and you’ll probably be involved in a restoration project before you get to operate them.

If you could find a set of job master floats that would be awesome for performance, kenmore has a der that could probably make the field approval relatively “easy”.

Good luck with your hunt. You’ll want to invest in a couple good grease guns.
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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

Brent, my buddy here in MN is running the Wip 6100s. I can put you in touch with him if you want. Or you could pay us a visit :)
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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

Yes, I flew a couple sets of 4580 amphibs on Beavers. Yes, they are limited to stock GW (5090). Ours were modified with Cleveland brakes/wheels, and equipped with up locks, which the originals were NOT. And, yes, there's a reason I asked for up locks.

They are very simple, systems wise, no electrics, no motors, nada.....just a hand pump. No backup system.

They perform very well, though if you load the plane heavy, they sit low in the water. None I've seen have float compartments, but it'd be simple to install a couple of the EDO 4930 forward compartment hatches. The 4930s were available with a main compartment hatch, and one forward of that. So, those forward ones should work fine on 4580s.

Our outfit had at least one or two sets converted to "4930"s. The conversion was done in Seattle area, but I don't know who did it, and I doubt anyone who was around then knows either, but Kenmore might. They did this to go on a "homemade" Turbo Beaver, which was not Certificated. Could this be done legally these days??? No idea, nor can I even guess how much it'd cost.

One thing you need to understand regarding those floats: The main wheels retract into the compartment just aft of the step. That's "normal" for amphibs. What's NOT normal for amphibs is that there is NO metal housing around that gear. The tire literally presses up against a rubber bladder, which seals the compartment. When the gear lowers, the rubber bladder keeps critters out. Those bladders should be inspected regularly and replaced occasionally. If one splits (and yes, been there), that compartment floods REALLY fast.

They are great floats in many ways, kinda small to operate at the weights most folks are operating Beavers these days, but if you don't need to operate really, really heavy, they work fine. And, yes, I may have operated those airplanes in excess of 5090 once or twice.....

The perform well, and are tougher than hell. I had a main gear come out of the well as I touched down right next to shore once. Plane did an instantaneous 90 degree left turn (I distinctly recall looking out the right window and seeing the tie down ring on the wing tip just grazing the water) and slid up on the (VERY) rocky shore, all the way to the steps. Six of us pushed the thing back in the water, I assigned one of them to gently maintain pressure to keep that main gear up while we took off, and flew home. I may have thought about a ferry permit.....it was right after that the floats got up locks for the mains. Upon inspection, the keels of the floats were bent over about 70 degrees from the rocks, but no damage to bottoms.....those things are TOUGH.

If the nose gears come down in flight, you have more problems than that. And, it's really easy to SEE the nose gears. I was told by our Maintenance Chief that he actually watched one of our pilots land one of these planes in Lake Hood with the gear down......apparently he got it slowed really well, very nose high. Chief said the spinner nearly touched the water, but it flopped down.....he never said a word to the pilot. This happened after hours, so the Chief just quietly went out the back door, got in his car and went home. Did a VERY thorough inspection of the plane next day....no damage at all.
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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

If the mission dictated the operation of amphibs under a Beaver, I would seriously consider the Sealand Aviation 5250. Sealand lengthens the 58-4580 amphibious floats per their STC and I believe it is approved with the 5600 up gross if one is so inclined.

I run EDO 5250 straight floats on our Beaver, approved under a Jobmaster STC, and for my mission, I would not like anything smaller. The straight EDO 5250 is one foot longer than the 4930 and that length is made in the constant area which is where it should be for both performance and buoyancy. I cannot speak to how Sealand lengthens the 4580, however, a quick call to Bill Alder at Sealand would provide the answer if one is researching this option.

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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

Whoah photos of the Turbo Beaver on Aerocet Amphibs? Would love to see that.
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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

Whoah photos of the Turbo Beaver on Aerocet Amphibs? Would love to see that.
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Re: Amphib float discussion for the DHC-2

Thanks all for the great information! We disconnected for a few days and took the beaver to the Frank Church. It performed fantastic, but you really feel the 48' wingspan in the narrow strips. I didn't go into a few of our favorites as I just wasn't sure I'd fit or be able to turn around, lol! I guess that's a good reason to get it on floats!

It sounds like edo 4930 amphibs are really rare, but fantastic performers, like the straight 4930 is known for.

MTV, good to know about the rubber bladder sealing the 4580A's, as well as the uplock option. I'm looking at a set now and need to ask the condition of the bladder and if it has uplocks.

Zane, I definitely need to come out and visit! But if you don't mind connecting me with your buddy with the 6100's, that would be great.
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