Join us for an AOPA Air Safety Institute sponsored backcountry flying seminar:

February 11--Germantown, TN. Location: THE GREAT HALL & CONF. CENTER 1900 S Germantown Rd
February 12--Nashville, TN. Location: EMBASSY SUITES NASHVILLE AIRPORT 10 Century Blvd
February 13--Maryville, TN. Location: CLAYTON HOMES CORPORATE OFFICE 5000 Clayton Rd

All seminars start at 7 PM and run till 9 PM, and they are free!

More information here: https://www.aopa.org/forms/event-calend ... TY_SEMINAR

See you there,

MTV

I attended one of the first ones in Milpitas, CA a few weeks back on a work trip. I thought it was a really well done presentation, and created some great conversation with the audience. It was a nice way to spend a couple hours, even if CA traffic took me an hour to get there (5 miles away).

There's one scheduled in Denver on February 5th and in Colorado Springs on February 6th. If it's well presented, it should be a valuable benefit, even to old hands at backcountry flying--none of us is so good that we can't learn how to be better.

Cary

Don't make the mistake of getting over to East Tennessee and pronouncing that "Maryville". They have their own word for it... something along the lines of "Murrravull." You'll gain a lot of respect from the locals if you can pronounce it correctly. You'll never get it right .... but they will appreciate you trying.

You might think this is odd but it's actually a big deal there.

LOL!

There's a regular segment of a TV program out of Denver in which screwy pronunciations of places in Colorado are highlighted, such as Buena Vista, which is pronounced by locals as Byoona Vista or Del Norte, which locals pronounce Del Nort.

I was once offered a position with a law office in Greenville, Mississippi. The lawyer who made the offer pronounced it Gurnvul.

In Wyoming, my favorite is Togwotee Pass, located between Dubois and Jackson Hole. It's pronounced like Towgatee. For that matter, Dubois is Dooboys, with the emphasis on the Doo and the S as in Sam, not zoo, and not the French Doobwah. Then there's Popo Agie, a river in the Wind River Mountains of Wyoming--it's pronounced Puhpowsha, not Popo Aggy.

Bringing this back to aviation, not too long ago, Fort Collins/Loveland, KFNL, was renamed Northern Colorado Regional Airport, NOCO for short. Not NORCOR or NORCO, as I've often heard on the radio. Likewise, Rocky Mountain Regional Airport is colloquially called Metro, but they'll still answer if you call Jeffco Tower--not sure if you call Rocky Mountain Tower. We old folks who used to land at Arapaho County Airport now land at Centennial, but that's why the airport identifier is KAPA.

No wonder furriners have so much trouble with Americanese!

Cary

kg wrote:Don't make the mistake of getting over to East Tennessee and pronouncing that "Maryville". They have their own word for it... something along the lines of "Murrravull." You'll gain a lot of respect from the locals if you can pronounce it correctly. You'll never get it right .... but they will appreciate you trying.

You might think this is odd but it's actually a big deal there.

Thanks for the tip. Actually, I’ve been practicing pronouncing Tennessee with the emphasis in the “Tenn” as in TENNessee. Old friend was from there and regularly corrected my poor pronunciation.

Should be a fun trip, never been to TN.

Also doing presentations in GA, SC, AL, WI and FL later in the spring.

MTV


MTV

Cary wrote:Bringing this back to aviation, not too long ago, Fort Collins/Loveland, KFNL, was renamed Northern Colorado Regional Airport, NOCO for short. Not NORCOR or NORCO, as I've often heard on the radio. Likewise, Rocky Mountain Regional Airport is colloquially called Metro, but they'll still answer if you call Jeffco Tower--not sure if you call Rocky Mountain Tower. We old folks who used to land at Arapaho County Airport now land at Centennial, but that's why the airport identifier is KAPA.

Still waiting for FTG to start making people address them as "Colorado Air and Space Port" over the radio. I won't personally spit that many words out just to get their attention, but they do use it on ATIS now.

mtv wrote:
Also doing presentations in GA, SC, AL, WI and FL later in the spring.

MTV


MTV

Will you be giving the NC presentations?

airscooter wrote:

mtv wrote:
Also doing presentations in GA, SC, AL, WI and FL later in the spring.

MTV


MTV

Will you be giving the NC presentations?

No, I don’t know who will be doing those.

MTV

MTV,

Which WI presentations will you be giving?

Thanks,
Joe

Does one have to be an AOPA member to attend?

I might be able to make the Nashville seminar on the 12th.

Twflyer,

I’ll be doing seminars in Green Bay, Madison and Milwaukee in late April. Those aren’t confirmed yet on the list of seminars.

kg,

No, you do not have to be an AOPA member to attend.

MTV

I’m definitely going to attend the one in Madison. I’ll keep an eye out for those dates.

Joe

I attended the Seminar in Greensboro NC. It was presented by a lady named Britanee Lincoln who did a great job. I would recommend attending to anyone as I learned a lot of new material and was reminded of a lot of things that I needed to be refreshed on.

I attended the seminar in Rogers, Arkansas. Tom Curran did an excellent job. He used the normal slides and charts on the canyon turn, but asked, "How many would be okay with 45 or more degrees of bank? How about 90 degrees?" What really impressed me was his immediate answer to my question, "Can a ninety degree banked turn be made at 1g?" He smiled and answered, "Absolutely! Just don't pull back on the stick." And he also made the wind management argument against the downwind turn. He agrees we should be using up air on the ridge downwind of the valley giving us a shorter diameter of turn into a headwind.

Next week, I’ll be doing seminars in Greenville, SC, Atlanta, GA, and Huntsville, AL.

Come join the party.

MTV

mtv wrote:Next week, I’ll be doing seminars in Greenville, SC, Atlanta, GA, and Huntsville, AL.

Come join the party.

MTV

Looking forward to seeing you next week!

Went last night in PDX was good. Lots of good info for a two hour presentation. As a 200 hour pilot who read Jim Dulins book early on my only comment is that I get sick of discussions about bank angle that assume you hold the nose up. If you don't pull back and do a 1g 60' bank you won't increase load factor significantly. Need to make sure you have altitude to let the nose drop. But this whole concept is something I feel is so critical and is misunderstood by many low time pilots. The bank induces little load without backpressure on the stick. I agree it's better to have a canyon speed and minimize bank angles to do a 180, but I wish everyone just placed more emphasis on "don't pull back" because I think it kills pilot's. Amy mentioned it a couple times but to me it should be emphasized more because I think it's widely misunderstood. We were standing room only in Portland everyone should go if it's close.

Thanks MTV and Amy Hoover for doing the book and helping pass your experience on to us young folks!

tbag wrote:Went last night in PDX was good. Lots of good info for a two hour presentation. As a 200 hour pilot who read Jim Dulins book early on my only comment is that I get sick of discussions about bank angle that assume you hold the nose up. If you don't pull back and do a 1g 60' bank you won't increase load factor significantly. Need to make sure you have altitude to let the nose drop. But this whole concept is something I feel is so critical and is misunderstood by many low time pilots. The bank induces little load without backpressure on the stick. I agree it's better to have a canyon speed and minimize bank angles to do a 180, but I wish everyone just placed more emphasis on "don't pull back" because I think it kills pilot's. Amy mentioned it a couple times but to me it should be emphasized more because I think it's widely misunderstood. We were standing room only in Portland everyone should go if it's close.

Thanks MTV and Amy Hoover for doing the book and helping pass your experience on to us young folks!

I agree on turns, but bear in mind that often as not, someone flying a canyon in worsening weather, for example, tends to get lower and lower in the canyon, until they REALLY need to turn. In those cases, a level turn is the only route to survival.

The point is, there are all sorts of scenarios, and one solution may not serve all situations. You need tools in the toolbox to address these scenarios.

MTV

MTV is making a good point. I was shocked in British Columbia west of Grande Prairie. Because of glaciated flat bottom and vertical wall mountains, lots of things I teach were much more difficult. We are all interested in your safety,regardless of the technique we teach.