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"Book Is Book" Concept & Cessna Rigging

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I'm really interested to hear what others have to say on this or to add to the community. Also, there is a fantastic article on rigging with the Cessna Pilots Association. What I am saying below was partially derived from this article. Tech Note No. 014 by John Frank & Steve Ells. https://cessna.org/

I had mentioned the concept of "Book is Book" on another thread the other day with reference to Cessna speeds, which I thought I would elaborate on.

My experience is fairly deep, but not very wide, so my thoughts are generally centered around the Cessna 100 series (170s, 180s, 182s, and 185s.)

What I was referring to is the concept that a Cessna "should," in a perfect world do what the engineers say it should do. If it doesn't, you should try to figure out what is keeping it from this. A question was asked if the book at a certain setting and alt was 158mph, and a bird was doing 144mph, is this indicative of a problem? Of course the answer is, it depends...

First thing to keep in mind is that the "book" is an ideal number. This was most likely done on one really light "test" bird, on a prefect day. There are also installation errors to take into consideration like pitot interference, airspeed indicator accuracy, or a non level TB, so go into this with that understanding.

By no means is this an exact science, but the concept really comes down to do the speeds make sense. This is a critical thinking exercise.

There are a bunch of things that can slow a bird down, but we can break it down into five categories:

1) CG
2) Mods (like tires, antennas, ski fittings, etc etc etc.)
3) Age (tired motor, and to a lesser extent prop, or a different prop from "book"
4) Poor rigging
5) Damage

If you're slow, you want to be able to reasonably point to the offending item. If not, don’t just be a passenger, do some digging.

(this is a quick rundown of my process, and I may be missing some stuff. Never the less…)

When I do a survey on a Cessna, the very first thing I do is a walk around. You can tell a TON about how it will fly based on how the presentation of the rigging is. Are the flaps sucked up where they should be? Do the ailerons match up with flaps? Where are the eccentrics set? Where is the rudder set? Are there any trim tabs on control surfaces?

I will also want to know about past damage. Fact is that ALL of these old birds have been prung to one extent or another. The question is how bad, and is it disclosed. I can’t tell you how many times I have talked to a seller on the phone who swears there is no damage Hx... I make the trip out to wherever the bird is only to point out evidence of one, two or even three past wrecks. If you know what to look for, you can find the fingerprints.

Not always true, but it is my experience that damage in the log usually translates into an ok flying bird, and damage not disclosed tends to present in a poor flying bird.

The next thing to do is see how it feels in flight. How fast, how slow, handling, heavy wing, etc... If she is flies nice and straight and is relatively close to book, then I move on. If there is a heavy wing, I know she has damage or needs a good rig. If she is slowish, I want to start finding out why.

Once back on the ground and armed with the feedback from the flight, I can start digging.

It’s important to get the bird on scales. For the most part, I have found that owners don’t want to know the true weight. We can debate this elsewhere, but from where I sit, the only one they are cheating is themselves. Most paperweights are wrong, very often over 100lbs wrong. The worst I have found was 400lbs wrong. Poor guy lost 400+ lbs in useful in an hour. (reason to do a good survey before you buy!) Aft CG is dangerous, but is fast. Most of these birds we are now all building have a FWD CG and this will slow us down… CG management is critical. On my bird, I went ahead and installed the later model tail spring and ABW tail head for CG management. The delta between the earlier parts and later parts is 4 lbs. At Sta. 262, this moved my CG in a better place and will give me a couple of tics on the AS indicator.

If you know you have good ## and CG data, the place to start is measuring the bird by doing a symmetry test. This consists of left to right, fore and aft. Digital level on the seat tracks gives you your baseline, and from there, measure the spars and then the horizontal stab and vertical to see if they are even.

Next, you want to do an airframe/wing alignment test. There is a rivet on the trailing edge of each wing, and a center rivet in the tail. You want to measure the distance between the two on the L and R to see if they are even. You also want to do this to the nose, and then from the outboard wing to the deck. This info gives you a clue as to if the bird is “square” or not.

Next, you should do an engine alignment test. Some engines are installed level to the fuselage, and some a nose down cant. Its important to see if the angle is where it is supposed to be.

Lastly, you want to measure the wing twist, or “washout.” This is done using a tool (you can easily make one) and a digital level. There are three spots to measure. Sta 39, Sta. 100.5, and Sta. 207. In a nutshell, the wings need to be parallel. The twist starts the strut (Sta 100) and should be 3 degrees.


Note: If your bird is prung, then the usual choice is learn to live with it or sell it. Some stuff can be fixed, but most damage that we find tends to be too expensive to address. This is always really bad news for an owner. They usually have bought the bird of their dreams and have already spent way too much in mods so the thought of selling is unthinkable. This again is why it is critical to have someone who really knows what they are looking for to help with a survey before you get in too deep.

Once you have ascertained the bird is perfect (wink) you move on to the rigging.

In my experience, I have found that most mechanics don’t know how to properly rig an airplane. Im not sure this is because they just don’t know how to do it, or because it takes so damn long (two day process…) but regardless, rigging is EVERYTHING!

In short, best thing to do is not to try to correct deficiencies bit by bit, but to take it back to stock. This is where most of the SNAFUs begin. A pilot comes in and complains of a heavy wing. His mechanic decides to droop a flap and let him go on his way. He might have helped the wing heaviness, but all he has really done is to induce drag. Wrong idea…

Cessna calls the procedure out clearly in the book. Eccentrics have a starting point. Flaps rods have a required length. Ailerons have a starting point. Bring the bird back to “stock,” and then go fly. If you have a heavy wing, try to work it out with the eccentric. If this doesn’t work, then there is something larger going on (damage.)

This said, we need to be realistic. These birds are old, and we know they have all suffered damage. If we cant get a bird to fly right with the eccentrics alone, then we may be forced to try other “cheats” due to the simple fact that rebuilding a wing may be just crazy talk. This is not wrong, just not perfect, and the perfect bird is a unicorn.

At any rate, I hope this is helpful. Bottom line is that it is ok if you are flying a slow bird… You just should know/understand why it is doing what it is doing. And, if a little elbow grease and attention to detail can pick you up 4 or 5 mph, than its worth it.

Side note, I first did this on my own Skywagon. It was apparently rigged by drunks, because I picked up a whopping 11 mph.
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Re: "Book Is Book" Concept & Cessna Rigging

Excellent stuff! One comment if I may... Not necessarily directed at you Greg but to everyone.

When weighing, make sure you do it with empty tanks with only non usable fuel remaining. If you fill the tanks and subtract the weight of the published usable fuel you will be disappointed in most cases. Example, my 1974 185 held 11 more gallons usable than published. That is a significant amount of weight you are cheating yourself out of. Most Husky's hold 4 more gallons than published, I would imagine other airplanes can be off too. Only way to get a good accurate number in my opinion is to weigh em empty (un usable fuel left in airplane of course).

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Another VERY common issue with old (and some new) airplanes that will skew performance data is the terrible accuracy of standard tachometers.

I own a small digital tach checker, and its amazing the number of tacos that are way off.

My 170 tach shot craps years ago so I had it overhauled. When it came back with yellow tag, it was installed and checked, and read 60 rpm high.....

Sent it in on trade for a NEW tach. That one was 70 rpm off.

I ordered a Horizon digital tach and never looked back.

If your tach is off, you don’t know what power setting your engine is really making, so no way to tell if what you’re seeing is similar to the flight test airplane.

Oh, and then there’s pitot mounting issues......

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mtv wrote:Another VERY common issue with old (and some new) airplanes that will skew performance data is the terrible accuracy of standard tachometers.

I own a small digital tach checker, and its amazing the number of tacos that are way off.

My 170 tach shot craps years ago so I had it overhauled. When it came back with yellow tag, it was installed and checked, and read 60 rpm high.....

Sent it in on trade for a NEW tach. That one was 70 rpm off.

I ordered a Horizon digital tach and never looked back.

If your tach is off, you don’t know what power setting your engine is really making, so no way to tell if what you’re seeing is similar to the flight test airplane.

Oh, and then there’s pitot mounting issues......

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This is a really good point when trying to get true numbers.
The old pitot tubes (literally tubes poking out of the wing) can influence airspeed significantly if not bent by the book.
Airspeed Indicators are another less than accurate instrument when 50 plus years old.
Not to mention static air sources and leaks. A friend could speed up 5mph indicated just by opening the window in his Champ.
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Bagarre wrote:Not to mention static air sources and leaks. A friend could speed up 5mph indicated just by opening the window in his Champ.

This is no joke. Before I tore my panel to bits, my airspeed would dance around +/- 5kts on a normal basis. I mostly just mentally averaged the bounce and flew to feel absent anything truly accurate, but then 8000' runways beget themselves to sloppy speed management. Once I got things apart I realized there was a loose AN fitting on a static line which probably caused the pressure to oscillate. There are also paper-like obstructions in the AN elbows coming off the fuselage, probably from someone washing it. The only way to get that out is to disassemble things. The new static system will be QC fittings and a shiny new alt static line that I didn't have before.

Bigrenna's note on engine alignment is interesting. When I pulled my sagging, aged LORD shock mounts off of the legacy Cessna hard mount, just replacing the LORD's brought the prop up a couple degrees. I believe the SPW mount similarly raises it, but that could just be because it's heavier duty and not as prone to compress under weight. What I've heard is that some people see speed gains installing the SPW mount just because it corrects the alignment; whether that's just fixing their old shock mounts, or actually making the longitudinal alignment better overall through engineering, I do not know. I wish I could do an actual comparison, but with the amount I am changing there's no way to attribute anything to a particular component.
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Excellent post! Thought provoking. Especially in the context of damaged airplanes. I really must figure out that trick measuring off the rivet in the tail to the rivet in the wing, and comparing the distances.

Be a good party piece when buying an aeroplane. The seller might tie the string around your neck :-)
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colopilot wrote:…..Bigrenna's note on engine alignment is interesting. When I pulled my sagging, aged LORD shock mounts off of the legacy Cessna hard mount, just replacing the LORD's brought the prop up a couple degrees.....


The early model engines (A&J), and later model engine installations utilizing the early mount (like mine), are particularly prone to "engine droop" when the Lord mounts start sagging, due to the way the rubber mounts are configured.
When I replaced mine a year or two ago, the front of the engine probably came up a good half inch or more.
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colopilot wrote:…..Bigrenna's note on engine alignment is interesting. When I pulled my sagging, aged LORD shock mounts off of the legacy Cessna hard mount, just replacing the LORD's brought the prop up a couple degrees.....


The early model engines (A&J), and later model engine installations utilizing the early mount (like mine), are particularly prone to "engine droop" when the Lord mounts start sagging, due to the way the rubber mounts are configured.
When I replaced mine a year or two ago, the front of the engine probably came up a good half inch or more.


That's true too. Initially we just replaced the engine shock mounts, and that alone raised it from having non-squished donuts. The rubber bushings on the engine mount-to-firewall points got replaced later with the SPW mount install which probably raised it a little more, though I have no good reference since everything firewall forward got replaced anyway. The SPW uses hard metal spacers instead, so nothing to wear out. It does mean no vibration isolation from the mount, but I doubt those contributed to isolation much anyway (certainly once they are worn and cracked).
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Maybe I should care more. I do want to get the most out of my toy, but I am so glad to be in the position I am.
I wanted to fly since I was a little kid, I read about how to do it when I was in junior high, but from where I came from in life, I never never thought it would really happen. It was not something than anyone I knew had ever done, it was always someone else. It seemed to me for most of my life that I could not afford it, I had convinced myself that if I wasn't going to fly a p-51 that it wasn't worth it. I had an appointment to the Air Force Academy had I wanted it, but I told myself that if I could not fly fighters that I did not want to bother. My eyes were 20/40 and I assumed that without perfect vision that I would never fly fighters.
I was 34 when a turn of life turned me upside down, I decided then that I would follow my dream to fly. I bought a kit and put it together in about 4 months. It then sat for nearly 10 years, the difficult times passed and life came back to working again. The desire for flight never left, but I did not know how to fly and as time passed it seemed farther and farther away. I tried to sell the plane, but no one was interested at anything more than 35% of what I had in it, so I kept it.
I took a side job taking care of a ranch next door. Turns out the owner had been flying since he was 15 and flew everything he owned, twins, jets etc... I did not know that at the time. I asked if I could use the horse pasture to test my plane, he said it was ok. Except, I only knew how to fly by theory and books from 20 years previous. The plane sat a few more years. Then, his son, who was also a pilot found out that I had built a plane, he encouraged me to fly it. So, I said sure, lets do it. We groomed in a runway in the snow in the pasture, but I still had never had an hour of instruction and the idea faded away yet again.
It was December of 2015, the ranch owner offered for a year end bonus to pay for my flight training. I started flying at KAPA, but it was taking forever being a 3.5 hour drive each way. My friend/ ranch owner then offered for me to come fly their 172 with one of their full time pilots. I had 16 hours at the time and had not soloed, I was frustrated. Three days after going to MN to fly with on of their pilots, I soloed, two weeks later I had a PPL.
A few months later I got a tailwheel endorsement, a few months after that I finally flew my kit plane. Off a runway of snow, tailwheel, 8000' msl. That kit now has 112 hours on it, just flew it today. I also own a 53 180 that I have put about 100 hours on. I have done two trips to Utah back country, one of those by myself. I have landed the kit plane along low water reservoirs.
My 180 may be capable of more speed, more of everything. I know that my skills can always get better.

But, I am just extremely grateful, happy to be flying and enjoying it all.

Go out and fly, don't worry about all the little stuff.
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Flying is such a gift.
Share it with someone, or get out there and feel the freedom that you felt on that first solo.

A friend 25 years ago told me "Flying is the best gift you can ever give to yourself", I had no idea how right he was until I did it for myself.
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StillLearning wrote:Maybe I should care more.... ....don't worry about all the little stuff.


Perhaps.

I would just say that this was posted in "Maintenance, Tuning, and Parts Support." If all you are after are the Johnny Hallmark stories about bliss, then maybe don't read the section about "Maintenance." :wink:

In all serious, a quick glance at the FARs and we learn that the ultimate responsibility of the aircraft is the PIC. In general, it always amazes me at the lack of simple mechanical understanding that some pilots have. We see this magnified in the rental market. Folks just check out an airplane and go, ignorant anything around them.

There is a Warrior on my field that flies every day, in fact it has been doing that for decades. If you asked any of the students to guess how many hours on that airframe, I would bet dollars to donuts that none would guess the 20k plus. Ask them how many times it has been wrecked, you'd get the same answer. The 150 that is parked next to if flies through the air sideways. Those birds scare the hell out of me and I'd never get inside. LOL

As pilots, it is our duty to have an understanding of what is going on around us. I'm not saying everyone needs to be an A&P, far from it... but a pilot should take some interest in what is going on mechanically rather than "just fly." If one is jumping into a bird and it is doing something that it shouldn't be doing, I would say that it is our responsibility as pilots to be asking why.

My motto, right or wrong, is that it's not our job to know the answers, but to simply know the questions.

Just my .02
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Still Learnng: I liked your post and your story. I don’t care that the original poster feels it didn’t fit just right in his thread. At 18 posts, you’re new here, so the small transgression of a minor thread hijack is forgivable. If what you read in this thread inspired you to post, that’s cool. I value your participation.
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A poorly rigged plane isn’t just wasting speed but can also be a safety concern.
Sure, it might fly straight and be a bit draggy but it could also have a nasty stall or spin characteristic that will rear it’s head ar the wrong time.

There are more reasons than speed to verify proper rigging and tram.
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Pinecone wrote:Still Learnng: I liked your post and your story. I don’t care that the original poster feels it didn’t fit just right in his thread. At 18 posts, you’re new here, so the small transgression of a minor thread hijack is forgivable. If what you read in this thread inspired you to post, that’s cool. I value your participation.


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Pinecone wrote:Still Learnng: I liked your post and your story. I don’t care that the original poster feels it didn’t fit just right in his thread. At 18 posts, you’re new here, so the small transgression of a minor thread hijack is forgivable. If what you read in this thread inspired you to post, that’s cool. I value your participation.


I have to disagree, Pinecone. His post didn't contribute anything to a fairly specific technical conversation. In fact, it flagrantly dismissed a technical topic in lieu of a totally unrelated life story. He actually refuted the value of being concerned with proper rigging. I'm almost convinced he's a troll because that'd be a juicy tactic. It was probably the worst post I've read in a long time.

Post with care, people. And don't defend the ignorant. Thanks.
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I know it bends "da rules" a little, but "still learning" is still learning--as are we all.

I have definite feelings about proper rigging, though. When I bought my airplane, it hadn't been flown much at all in years, and surprisingly, it's not just engines and other moving parts that are affected by disuse. My first flight in it, I was pleasantly surprised at how well it flew, compared to a good many other 172s I'd flown. But over the next few years, it became less pleasant to fly, and I could tell that it was out of rig. Let go, and it would fly off to the left. It would get out of trim fairly quickly, because the trim wasn't as tight as it should be. Just comparing the flap deflection, there was a difference. All this was apparently caused by my much more frequent use, stretching cables, things loosening up, etc., and it was time to do something about it.

I'm no mechanic, but I do have some feel for mechanical things. And when my IA speaks, I listen. He's a font of knowledge, extremely skilled, and I trust him. So when I discussed my beliefs that my airplane was out of rig, he agreed. He was up front--it was going to be a very labor intensive proposition to re-rig the airplane. He explained what he would have to do, and approximately how much it would add to an annual.

So at the next annual, he re-rigged my airplane. What a difference! The airplane was (and still is) much more pleasant to fly--as pleasant or moreso than when I first flew it. It flies straight hands off, it maintains trimmed pitch--it's just all around nicer to fly. I was also surprised at the increase in airspeed, about 4-5 mph. That combined with the slight increase in airspeed from wearing wheel pants, and my airplane went from a solid 110 knots to 115 knots, about 7 mph better (have to think both ways, because the IAS is in mph and flight plans are in knots). No 172 is fast, but mine's faster than most, including the latest models of the same horsepower. If I'd take off the extreme droopy tips in favor of stock tips, it would probably gain another 5 mph, but then I'd lose the "cool factor".

So I have to fully agree with Greg, that correct rigging is a real benefit. I also think that it's a safety issue, because I have flown seriously out of rig airplanes that had weird stall characteristics. These were all rental airplanes that had been beat on by students, but it does make a difference.

I also agree with Mike that most mechanical tachs are way out of whack, even when new. When my OEM tach bellied up, I had to consider whether to replace it, rebuild it, or go a different route (almost said "different tack). Based on my IA's advice, I also elected to go with a Horizon digital, and it's great. It was about $200 more than a new mechanical tach, but its extra information, coupled with unerring accuracy, made that extra worth it. When he first installed it, I was disappointed because it was hard to read--its display has a pretty narrow "window". But Horizon was responsive, and they changed its bezel to tilt the tach toward the pilot seat, and with a little judicious use of spacers to tilt it upwards, it's pretty easy to read now.

I agree, we should be concerned about the performance of the airplanes we fly. Even a 20,000 hour beater can be made to fly well, and it should be. One of the airplanes I used to rent was a truly ugly 172, with faded paint and holes in the panel, which I always assumed were because it had had some good instruments that the FBO purloined to put in other airplanes, and nobody had bothered to plug the holes. Its upholstery showed the kind of wear that made it look like it also had gobs of hours on it. It was a very basic VFR airplane with only one radio and a transponder. But what was there was a good little airplane that flew well--mechanically sound, if no beauty.

Personally I prefer my airplane to look good, too, but if it's a choice between good cosmetics and good mechanicals, I'll vote for the good mechanicals every time. Part of that is proper rigging. Part of it is good enough instrumentation that it's reasonably accurate. For sure, part of that is proper maintenance and operation of the engine and its peripherals.

And apparently from the comments of others, good engine mounts are also part of it. I can't say much about engine mounts, although mine were replaced when the new engine was installed after my unplanned landing in a field almost 15 years ago. The way airplane engines are installed, I can surely see how worn out engine mounts can make a difference in alignment with the airframe.

So overall, there are so many benefits to maintaining airplanes well that to say, "I'd rather just fly and not worry about that stuff" is putting one's head in the sand. Not quite what "still learning" said, but that was my impression, and I think it's a pretty common viewpoint of many pilots. Not on this forum, of course. :mrgreen:

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Re: "Book Is Book" Concept & Cessna Rigging

Thanks for the post bigrenna! This gives me a good starting point and a little motivation.

I bought a '65 H a couple years ago. On the prebuy test flight I thought she flew quick and straight. (Far cry from the rental 182 that needed constant aileron input.)The book weight was 1650. Since then I've come to find it's actually 1800lb empty and the reported CG was 3in off.

Lately I've found that the folks I've been flying with seem a little quicker. As an engineer and aspiring mechanic I want to figure out the speed issue. Time for a flight test. "The airplane does fly hands off and breaks clean in both level and turning stalls"

Book damage shows one wing was rebuilt in a jig up in Kamloops.

The wing also has a Horton kit with flap gap seals. The installer definitely didn't spend a ton of time on the details around the landing light or bothered to make the paint look decent. I understand the kit isn't supposed to slow down the plane any tho.

I'll do some flight testing, take those airframe measurments, calibrate the rpm and report back.
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Nice post Greg.
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BazzLow wrote:... bought a '65 H a couple years ago... I've come to find it's actually 1800lb empty and the reported CG was 3in off.


The one thing that usually will never match the orig Cessna docs is the weight. Im not sure how your bird is set up, but FWIW, 1800lbs is a nice weight for an H. My "H" is gutted, but it also has all the "bush" mods. it was just over 1800 lbs on 8.5x6s... At least was before the new motor.

The flap gaps will help with some speed, but really should be tossed for better short field perf. Its very easy to remove them w/out any deficits to the paint. PM me if you want the skinny on that.

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I realize my post may not have contributed to the technical aspect of the thread. However, my point is that sometimes people are so concerned with what the book says the machine will do and chase the performance numbers instead of actually enjoying the machine.
I am far from one who will ignore problems or symptoms of problems. I read the thread and all the responses hoping to glean some information that might indicate a problem with my own plane, or get me a little more speed. I want to get the most out of it possible, but I am not going to spend my whole existence doing it.
My 180 has been wrecked as have many, but other than the ball being a touch to the left when I fly by myself, I don't see any issues. I cruise at 152mph, not sure if that is normal or not. I have tried flying with a touch of rudder to center the ball and without centering the ball and I do not find any measurable difference in speed.
"Book" for me also is kind of meaningless, the motor is bigger, the leading edge is different, tailwheel and mains are different, wing tips are different, I don't know where it is "supposed" to be.
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