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Re: Cessna 170 Engine STC options

Bigrenna wrote:I just got off a long long phone call with Chris at Del-Air. I have a customer who wants to do a 180HP in his 170 and have been doing my research. I also have been revisiting the idea (and numbers) of putting the O-360 in my 170B Trainer project. If I go this route, I will use his STC for sure. He is a super helpful guy and a real pleasure to chew the fat with. Worth a call if you want to get some info.

FWIW... I chided him pretty hard about his lack of web presence and keeping his head low. I encouraged him to join BCP and sent him this thread. I know he'd be a real great resource to the community.

Chris... Chris... come in Chris.... Do you read me? :wink:

Can he supply an STC now? When I spoke to him in the fall he said that he hoped to be ready for this summer.
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He will have to answer for himself, but what I got was that if I placed the order today, he could get a kit out to me in reasonable time.
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Bigrenna wrote:He will have to answer for himself, but what I got was that if I placed the order today, he could get a kit out to me in reasonable time.


I hope your interpretation turns out to be true. The Del Aire kits were always top notch.

But dealing with the FAA takes a special brand of patience when it comes to STC and production paperwork.

I wish him luck.

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mtv wrote:But dealing with the FAA takes a special brand of patience when it comes to STC and production paperwork.


Im missing what your talking about. Chris has the STC all set... Has had it for a long time when Harry owned the shop. All Chris has to do is fab up a couple of the parts in the kit that are not on the shelf and get em in the box.
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Posted this on another thread, but after a hard search, I found a solid A1A for my 170 project. Going to use the Del Air STC.
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Greg, would you be willing to share the details on the stc kit contents and pricing information?
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Re: Cessna 170 Engine STC options

Just a FWIW, for anyone contemplating an engine swap for a 170 or 172, while I'm happy with my 180hp Avcon conversion, it's not all a bed of roses. After talking with others, mostly experienced mechanics including my IA, the kits of all the STC holders often haven't included all that is necessary, so you'll be sourcing stuff elsewhere. And it's a whole lot of work, with a fair share of McGivering necessary to get the job done, no matter whose STC is used.

If you're dealing with an already converted airplane, it can get pretty interesting at times, when parts need to be replaced, because they were sourced elsewhere--sometimes off of some dusty shelf in the converter's shop because they happened to fit, but not necessarily very well.

Just recently, for instance, my IA replaced my prop control, as the old one was binding and was worn out. The control that was in it was a vernier, and I'm happy with a vernier, so he obtained a new vernier control. I played mechanic assistant, essentially providing an extra hand when he needed it, which is just about the limit of my aviation mechanicking skills. When he pulled out the old one and compared its length to the new one he'd measured for and ordered, there was almost a 2' difference in length! Yet the new one fits perfectly, and is of course much smoother. I'm guessing that some of the old one's stiffness was caused by the circuitous bends it had to make, to fit in a much shorter space than its length.

The end result, though, should be gratifying. I've flown dozens of 172s, many of them stock variants Cessna has made ranging from the 145 hp Continentals through the 150 hp and 160 hp Lycomings and the 195 hp Continental powered XP; the 180 hp Lycoming conversions with a CS prop are IMHO the best for the buck (I'm biased, obviously). They're still relatively economical to operate (I figure 9.8 gph), and they climb very well. They cruise a little faster than stock, although no 172 will be a speed demon just because it has 20 or 30 or 35 extra horses out front. The slight edge that the XP's 195 hp provides over the 180 hp conversions isn't noticeable in the real world. I suspect a 220 hp conversion might be pretty noticeable--although some might argue that it's too much for the airframe.

Well done, a higher powered engine conversion plus a CS prop turns a relatively mundane airplane into a much more capable one.

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I will jump in and personally vouch for the quality and support Chris provided on my Super 170B project. Easy, allows for installer determined configurations, and clean fit. Hard to beat the parts supply for Lycoming -360 series engines and you can find lots of mods to make them burn more fuel.
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John,

Stunning airplane!

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When I still owned my 54 170B it had a Franklin 220hp and it was an absolute hotrod. It was very dependable and never gave me any problems other than it seemed a little more prone to carb icing. It was a joy to fly and I still miss it. Sadly the fellows that bought it down in Anchorage ran into trouble at an off airport strip at Lake Illiamna and severely damaged it. As far as I know it is still sitting at Hood Lake airport. I got to know Dave Stoots pretty well when he still worked on the pipeline. He was very talented and a wealth of information.
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There's a guy in the puget sound area who owns a 170B that a friend of mine (now deceased) used to own.
He's converting it to a Cont IO360 using the XP Mods STC.
He's got a facebook page or blog or something going about it,
google "Beige Betty".
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