Not cool Jeffco. Making everything illegal unless specifically written as an allowed use of land.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/18/ ... elicopter/

Colorado is also the state that has banned seaplane operations on all public waters, IIRC.

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That house is just 10 min from me (I’m not in that subdivision).

High end home area with folks who have plenty of money and time and lawyers.

HOA there is over the top. A guy I know there got a nasty letter from the HOA because his basketball hoop didn’t have a net. Another guy got a letter because he left his trash cans next to the side of his house rather than inside his garage.

Hoop with no net !? Garbage cans on the side of the house ?!!!! Those things would piss anyone off . Now a heli in the yard is just nitpicking the homeowner and is downright unnecessary if you ask me

Looked like there was an airplane (Maule)sitting there in the video? Was that a News chopper they flew in on to shoot the segment? Wonder what his not so neighborly neighbors think of that? Maybe the helo pilot can hover and hoist him next time since the FAA owns the airspace. [emoji41]

Wouldn't you know it would be a Maule driver causing problems. Another example of the fun police at work. Sicking.

Various forms of this hat/shirt are now being made for reasons obvious to locals:



Few own the mineral rights, water rights, nor airspace above their own property. Now you don't even own the grass in your own front lawn in some counties.

Meh. The same thing happens anywhere there are HOA's or people to complain.

I had a complaint with the county I was in for landing to pick up a schoolmate in high school on the county road in the middle of nowhere after a spring runoff took out a few culverts and made the bus impossible. It was over 30 years ago. Things don't change. People need to feel outrage and have it validated.

So does this mean no more flight for life operations in Jefferson county?

A hazard to wildlife, what a chicken shit comment. I mean how can you defend against that, "oh, the birds don't hurt the rotor blades at all, it just chops them right up, no problem," would be one response I'd want to make. Having neighbors like that....if I saw their house was on fire, I'd first ponder as to whether or not the emergency response vehicles and all that water may pose a threat to that same wildlife, before I called 911.

Iron74 wrote:So does this mean no more flight for life operations in Jefferson county?

Excellent point!

Ultimately I think it is that people are bitter.
Colorado has more than its share of bitter people. I work in Aspen, nearly everyone that has ever worked for me has expressed anger that other people have more than them. Airplane owners are easily targeted as people to hate, because as we all know, all airplane owners are rich. Helicopter owners are even richer!!!

I would bet, that the people that are complaining would love to do the same thing, but just don't have the money.

Interesting that the county assumes that anything not specifically allowed is thereby prohibited. Most regulatory agencies (FAA included) have the exact opposite theory...anything not specifically prohibited is thereby allowed.

I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that the county has created an impossibly high barrier to the liberties of its citizens and is just relying on selective enforcement to mitigate the outrage. The selective enforcement is sort of clever... it guarantees that there will be supporters for any enforcement action before they decide to take it, and they can cherry pick which enforcement battles they engage in.

It's a bunch of bullshit, but if enough people in the county disagree, it's also reversible. Frankly, I don't think the person in question has a prayer...if the county regs are changed, the homeowners association will prohibit the landing of aircraft within the subdivision outside of a verified emergency...no 911 dispatch, no emergency, no helicopter.

What you gain by living in a HOA subdivision: cheaper access to roads, power, sewer and water, plus an economic filter for who might live next to you.

What you give up for living in a subdivision: everything else.

I think the county policy of “it is prohibited unless specifically allowed” is a lot more common than people think. The county I live in has this policy and so do many of the neighboring counties. Finding that out pretty much put an end to my search for property I could put a strip on.

IMO, over reach by the county. The idea that unmentioned activities are illegal is just silly.

“Helicopters are not mentioned, fireplaces are not mentioned, drones are not mentioned,” explained Sawyer.

My relatively highly populated county in Idaho, if you use your land frequently for fixed wing operations, you need to get it zoned as an airstrip. Infrequent operations don't require that. In many other Idaho counties, it is probably more lenient. It is also OK to sensibly land on roads here.

It doesn't sound like a HOA has anything to do with this particular issue, but as long as we're on the topic, I've got a different take. I see it as a legitimate right of a group of people to get together, agree on a plan for the community, and execute. My experience has been the unhappy people are generally those that don't read the plan or talk to neighbors before they buy into the community. Later, they get a letter from the HOA for something and are surprised and unhappy. If buyers did their due diligence before they joined, it would go a long way toward reducing problems people have with HOA's.

There is a new hospital in a small city east of me that has a heli pad next to it that they can’t land helicopters there any more because someone from the new subdivision near hospital complained of noise. Now there is a double transfer to get the critically hurt into emergency. Way to many wankers and two bit lawyers in this world.

David K wrote:There is a new hospital in a small city east of me that has a heli pad next to it that they can’t land helicopters there any more because someone from the new subdivision near hospital complained of noise. Now there is a double transfer to get the critically hurt into emergency. Way to many wankers and two bit lawyers in this world.

Oh man, hell hath no fury like one who would be denied prompt medical care in an emergency. I hope the complainant never needs to go to the ER.

whee wrote:I think the county policy of “it is prohibited unless specifically allowed” is a lot more common than people think. The county I live in has this policy and so do many of the neighboring counties. Finding that out pretty much put an end to my search for property I could put a strip on.

So what do they charge you with? Doing something there isn't an ordnance for?

aftCG wrote:

whee wrote:I think the county policy of “it is prohibited unless specifically allowed” is a lot more common than people think. The county I live in has this policy and so do many of the neighboring counties. Finding that out pretty much put an end to my search for property I could put a strip on.

So what do they charge you with? Doing something there isn't an ordnance for?

Well if the ordinances state that anything not specifically allowed is prohibited, then ya...