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Colorado River Valley Portable Hangar?

Good morning from the Nevada desert. Geat to be in a dry cool climate! The general area will be my winter base camp to explore NV, CA, UT & AZ in my little ship.

I’m renting a giant WWII style aircraft hangar. The hangar is actually portable. Talking with the maintenance man, he said it’s been moved several times. It folds into separate modules which are transported with a forklift. The swinging door is balanced single action, utilizing a manual chain or electric motor. No corrosion or maintenance issues were noted or seen. I really like it and will use it as a base camp for winter, hopefully. I love the Pacific Islands but, seeing this vast desert really is a privilege and is a paradise for aircraft flying.

Operation note: The door is 17.5’ high. Good for tall helicopter masts and amphibians. The hangar is around 60 years old but in excellent condition. Never been damaged by weather, flooding etc. The compound has (24) x 7 security with armed personnel and electronic ID access. The security satisfies Mary’s desire to be in a gated area.

Questions:

1) Has anyone ever used this type of portable hangar?

2) Should I be concerned about the single action swing door?

3) Any caveats, this being somewhat deprecated from more modern hangars?

— Aloha and Mahalo!

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More Saturday morning photos. I’m freaking stoked!!

Note: (110V) electrical outlets at workbench level throughout all sidewalls!

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PortaPort Hangar had one for 25 years in Florida withstood several hurricanes. Never any problems with the doors. Salt in Florida corroded some of the beams that needed to be replaced. Think they are no longer available but might be wrong.
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I’m sure it’s a Port A Port...not WW II but recent manufacture...they were built in the Chicago area...I had one for about 5 years...attractive for leased land...you could move off the slab if the airport got sold....mine was fine for the time I owned it...the beams that run on the floor are a pain...big trip hazard...mine had a huge wheel to operate a winch that raised the single panel door...I would be careful in higher winds as it’s quite a slab...did not seal real well to floor so critters came and went...
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8GCBC wrote:..... The compound has (24) x 7 security with armed personnel and electronic ID access. The security satisfies Mary’s desire to be in a gated area. ....


The compound comment peaked my interest.
Can you / are you allowed to elaborate?
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I don’t understand the WWII part of your post but those things are everywhere and seem to work fine. My mind can’t quite see the load distribution but they’ve been trusted to protect lots of airplanes even in colorados snow loading.

Airports with security and gated access make me nervous
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Super big Mahalo to you folks. Very interesting and well confirmed information! I now understand what this structure is! And I love it even more now.

This part of the country most folks are armed. I know people have licensed fully automatics up to 50 cal! This in contrast to the Pacific Islands which is a minimum of (1) year in jail for any type of firearm possession. I remembered the Police Chief of Palau was arrested and spent a year in jail because he had an unregistered handgun at his house. It was a political enemy we concluded who gave him the sentence.

I called it a “WWII style” because it reminded me of the portable equipment left behind in the battles of Micronesia, etc. To foster tourism many atolls have left the WWII junk: sunken ships, tanks, various structures. One of the hundreds of war atolls: Chuuk Lagoon (for example) is a war tourist destination. Surprisingly when I was there, it was mostly Japanese who were diving the wreckage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuuk_Lagoon

Ships anchored in lagoon (A total of 167 boats, ships were sank by Americans in Chuuk and destroying 275 Imperial Japanese aircraft):

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Japanese war hardware in Chuuk Lagoon *(1) (Wikipedia):
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Well folks the lease is signed and I’m heading home for awhile. I don’t gamble, drink or need call girls but, I went over to a casino for dinner.

Pretty interesting yesterday:


*(1) Note: Truk = Chuuk (new independent naming)
In 1944, Truk's capacity as a naval base was destroyed through naval air attack. Forewarned by intelligence a week before the US raid, the Japanese had withdrawn their larger warships (heavy cruisers and aircraft carriers) to Palau. Once the American forces captured the Marshall Islands, they used them as a base from which to launch an early morning attack on February 17, 1944 against Truk Lagoon. Operation Hailstone lasted for three days, as American carrier-based planes sank twelve smaller Japanese warships (light cruisers, destroyers, and auxiliaries) and thirty-two merchant ships, while destroying 275 aircraft, mainly on the ground. The consequences of the attack made "Truk lagoon the biggest graveyard of ships in the world".[18][19]
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Being the enterprising fellow he is, my dad copied one of those when we lived in W CO. It was a non-portable version, meaning you couldn’t put it behind a pickup and tow it from the Midwest as they were designed. We didnt have the beams on the floor. I remember welding the structure up in our shop and moving it to the airport a panel at a time. It’s still standing, 30 years later. Wind howls there too. Housed our Comanche, a super cub, a C180 and C182 during our tenure (not all at once). We traded it to the Neanderthal reprobate we got the Alaska property from.
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gbflyer wrote:Being the enterprising fellow he is, my dad copied one of those when we lived in W CO. It was a non-portable version, meaning you couldn’t put it behind a pickup and tow it from the Midwest as they were designed. We didnt have the beams on the floor. I remember welding the structure up in our shop and moving it to the airport a panel at a time. It’s still standing, 30 years later. Wind howls there too. Housed our Comanche, a super cub, a C180 and C182 during our tenure (not all at once). We traded it to the Neanderthal reprobate we got the Alaska property from.
How is the land market out around Glacier Bay, AK these days? Any temporary/semi permanent shelter to hide an R44 for the summer?

Tell your Dad hello from Teddy boy! Let me know if you guys need another BFR. Aloha!

Had a great time in GB:

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Land is cheap and plentiful. Not like everywhere else in the world where things sell above the ask. Buddy of mine just got $510K for a $485 ask in WA. Crazy.

If the weather wasn’t so trashy here the place would be over run
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gbflyer wrote:Land is cheap and plentiful. Not like everywhere else in the world where things sell above the ask. Buddy of mine just got $510K for a $485 ask in WA. Crazy.

If the weather wasn’t so trashy here the place would be over run
Hell, we can’t even purchase a garden shed in Honolulu for less than $850K. Medium SFH is $1.2M. Mary and I were very lucky to get rent controlled housing (price is controlled by the city housing board). Yes, it’s socialism, but I’m not too proud to take it!

Note: we could live on the Navy base but that’s expensive for civilians too!
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I hangared in a port-o-port at Longmont, CO. (KLMO) for a year or so. They were easy enough to use. I think you can still get them - but I just can't see how they would be all the mobile. I think it's a decent idea if you are on a ground lease situation at an airport that will try to take over the improvements after a certain number of years.

https://www.portaportparts.com/
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soyAnarchisto wrote:I hangared in a port-o-port at Longmont, CO. (KLMO) for a year or so. They were easy enough to use. I think you can still get them - but I just can't see how they would be all the mobile. I think it's a decent idea if you are on a ground lease situation at an airport that will try to take over the improvements after a certain number of years.

https://www.portaportparts.com/
Very useful information, thank you:
Installation Tips

This section is provided as a guide only and is general in nature. You should always contact a local expert to handle most installations. Hangar type and local site conditions may warrant different installation techniques.

Remember safety first and foremost, and if conditions exist where safety is an issue, only have experts handle the part installation. Most local overhead garage doors suppliers and repair technicians can install the parts safely and effectively. Look in your local yellow pages under 'Doors' for installers nearest you.

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EXTENSION SPRINGS

The springs we offer are made to Port-A-Port OEM factory requirements. These springs are rarely carried by home improvement stores, hardware stores or overhead door companies, as you may have already determined. Most of these springs are used only on Port-A-Port hangars, and are therefore not a common spring. We carry both spring types in stock, with shipping usually within 24 hours of your weekday order.

Useful Life
From the date they were first put into service, springs have a useful life of 7 years and a usable life of between 7 - 12 years. It has been reported that springs have lasted in excess of 18 years, but there is a high level of risk letting replacement go this long.

When new springs are needed
If one spring has broken the rule of thumb is to replace them all. If you choose not to replace them all, you should replace the same number of new springs on each side. By equalizing the tension with the same number of new springs on each side, your door should remain balanced when opening and closing. If just the broken spring is replaced, an out of balance state will occur, which will lead to additional parts failing. See the Main Door Sheaves installation tips for details.

Prior to a spring breaking, if you are using the "broom stick" method of opening the door, the springs should be replaced. If you can insert a business card in-between any coil of the spring (when the spring is in the relaxed position) the spring has reached its useful life, and all should be replaced.

The operation of the door should be as easy today as it was when new. If it gets more difficult to open each month, and lubrication of all parts has been completed, the springs should be replaced. If the door is as difficult to bring down as getting up, then the problem could be elsewhere. See the Main Door Sheaves installation tips for details.

Never do this with your springs
Never shorten the cable to get extra "stretch" out of your springs. A safety device in the center section of each spring will not allow the springs to be over stretched. Check to be sure the internal safety rod or cable is intact and not damaged. If it is not intact and a spring breaks, the coils could fall onto the contents of the hangar and cause substantial damage.

Never replace a spring when the door is unsecured. Do not rely on the door locking device to hold the door up while replacing a spring. Always secure the door with a come-along, chain or rope attached to a truss frame member. Do not prop the door open with a wood or steel support, as this could fall over. See Spring Installation Techniques below for more detail.

Never leave your aircraft or vehicle in the hangar when replacing a spring.

Spring Installation Techniques
This is the most difficult installation, where safety and door balance are paramount. Techniques for installation will vary by hangar type, site conditions, access and skill level. It is recommended that an expert handle the installation. Residential and commercial overhead door companies are familiar with handling springs. Due to the uniqueness of the springs, overhead door companies rarely carry the springs and it is best to have them on site when they arrive.

Never replace a spring when the door is unsecured. Do not rely on the door locking device to hold the door up while replacing a spring. Always secure the door with a come-along, chain or rope attached to a truss frame member. Do not prop the door open with a wood or steel support, as this could fall over.

General installation techniques (will vary with hangar type).

You should always install the springs with at least 2 people.
Never loosen or shorten the cable in any way. If cable replacement is needed, measure distance of existing and replace to exact dimension.
Remove all aircraft, vehicles and any valuables which could be damaged if a spring falls during replacement.
With the door up, secure the back of the door to a truss member with a come-along, chain, heavy rope or similar heavy duty securing device. (Never rely on the factory locking mechanism, as it was only designed as a back up to the springs.) This will pull the door further back, relieving additional tension on the springs.
Loosen the nuts on the rear of the springs all-thread rod, which will further relieve tension on the spring.
Replace springs and repeat above steps in reverse.
Tension adjustment will be on the nuts and all-thread rod. This will need to be adjusted monthly for several months until springs cycle through their initial stretch. Springs should then be adjusted at least annually or as smooth operation is required.
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MAIN DOOR SHEAVES

Sheaves are the rollers which the cable travels over which connect the main door to the springs. There are two types: the Solid wheel main door sheave and the most common the Riveted main door sheave.

Causes of sheave failures
Lack of lubrication is one cause for failure. It can freeze and not move as the cable rolls over it. This will create friction making the door difficult to open and close, but more importantly it can fray a cable. If a cable breaks there is nothing to hold the door up, or if the door is down, only the all-thread rod to hold the springs from falling down. However it is unlikely the all thread bolt will hold. The all-thread rod will likely bend or break depending on age, and the springs could come down on the aircraft wing or other items stored in this area.

The strain of a cable sliding, not rolling, over the sheave could crack or actually break it apart. This could expose the cable to the threads of the bolt holding the sheave in place, possible cutting the cable with the results as described above.

Un-equal spring tension is another cause of failure. After the part is replaced, check spring tension by noting if the door goes up and down smoothly. There should be no twisting, the door must be square to the building and operate with ease. If twisting or out of square is noticeable, the springs need adjusting, tightening or replaced. Refer to the discussion on Extension Springs. Always check to be sure the cable was not frayed as it ran over the broken sheave. If any sign of fraying is detected, replace it immediately. In most cases it is a 1/4" steel wire obtainable at your local home improvement or contractor supply store.

General installation techniques (will vary with hangar type).
With door up, the cable (in most hangars) will rise above the sheave, allowing removal of the bolt holding it in. Slide out, clean and lubricate (greaseless compound only) the area and replace with new sheave. Remember to check the condition of the cable for signs of fraying. Replace a frayed cable immediately as it is what holds the door up and spring in place.

Where the cable does not raise above the sheave, you will need to relieve tension on the spring assemble to slacken the cable slightly, allowing the sheave to be removed and replaced. In a few instances the cable may need to be lifted with a come-along or similar type device to relieve enough pressure to allow safe removal and replacement.

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WING DOOR ROLLERS

There are two types of wing door rollers. The smaller of the wing door roller is for the Standard, Exec, & Exec I hangars and the larger two part wing door roller is for the Exec II & Exec III hangars. If you are unsure which hangar type you have, refer to the Hangar Dimensions page to verify dimensions of your hangar.

General installation techniques (will vary with hangar type).
The main door needs to be up and the wing door closed for this replacement. You will need a heavy duty post and floor jack or similar type device to safely change this roller, along with at least one assistant.

Remove the two nuts holding the wing door to the roller.
Secure the wing door so it does not move once the roller is removed.
Place the post on the floor jack and position under the closest main vertical brace of the cantilever arm closest to the wing door of the roller to be replaced. By slowly lifting on the cantilever arm the front of the hangar will actually rise several inches. With one person holding the wing door, the other person must lift the roller to the top of the guide track and slide it towards the inside of the hangar and out. If the bold does not clear the wing door, raise the cantilever again just enough for the bolt to clear.
Immediately place the new roller in the track, slide as before and lower into top of wing door location. Attach new nuts and lower the floor jack/post set up. Release wing door from its secure position. Adjust nuts to allow smooth operation of wing door.
Additional notes
In some cases a plate on the inside of the hangar track will block the ability to slide the roller out. It is better to remove the plate (it does not need to be replaced) and proceed as outlined above.

To our knowledge no hangar was designed where the external metal siding needs to be removed to slide the roller towards the outside of the hangar.

You should avoid removing the wing door to accomplish the roller change. This is much more work than is necessary. If it is done, new screws should be used to re-attach the hinge to the column or door.

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