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Crashing a Cessna 185: A BAS Shoulder Harness Testimonial

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Crashing a Cessna 185: A BAS Shoulder Harness Testimonial

This story was split from the thread about BAS Shoulder Harness Testimonials. I thought it was good enough to stand on its own. -Zane

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Steve,

Not painful at all--the only painful part was losing a really nice airplane, but as a friend pointed out "I love that plane dearly, right up till it tries to kill me--then, I'll use it up as necessary to walk away".

And NO!!!! I did not stall it in. Had it been stalled, there'd been a whole lot more damage. Note that the prop and cowling are untouched.

I was at around 5,500 feet msl in the White Mountains, north of Fairbanks, when the crank broke at the #2 rod journal. Later, it was determined that this was one of the "good" crankshafts :shock: .

I was just crossing a ridge (under a 6,000 foot broken layer), headed north when the engine failed, and reversing course seemed to offer slightly better terrain. In retrospect, that was the right thing to do.

I was troubleshooting the engine failure (immediate action items), gliding downhill, about matching the slope of the hill, and about 500 feet agl.

Somewhere during that process, there was a distinct "clank", the prop stopped and I ceased trouble shooting. I shut off the fuel valve, the mags, and master at that point and focused on landing.

There was nowhere flat to park, so as the hill leveled off, I was going to land. I headed for a recently burned area to reduce the "tree factor".

The touchdown was on a fairly decent downslope (I didn't have enough height to turn into the hill, and don't know if I'd want to do so in any case.) I had kept up a bit of extra speed toward the end of the glide, since the plane was right near the forward limit, and I wanted enough elevator authority to produce a flare.

I flared, the plane slid about 30 feet, and the right float stubbed into a tussock. The area I landed in (actually the whole mountainside) was very tussocky, with tussocks as high as mid thigh in places. My right float hit one of those.

At that point, the airplane apparently tumbled, and came rightside up, parked.

Prior to touchdown, I'd reached up and given the BAS harness a yank to lock it up and leaned into the straps to keep it locked.

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I don't remember the plane going over. I suspect there was significant G forces there. In any case, the only damage I suffered was a pretty significant divit to the back of my right leg, left by the adjustment crank on the pilots seat. My legs must have flailed a good bit in the tumble.

I got out of the plane, waited for it to cool down, got back in, turned on the radio, and called on 121.5. A Japan Air 747 crew answered immediately, and relayed my call for assistance to Fairbanks. I asked them to send a Helitack helicopter from Alaska Fire Service, which they did.


That evening, my wife had relatives in town, on a cruise, and we were supposed to meet them for dinner. Gina instructed me sternly not to talk about the crash, so that they would have a chance to talk. Worked perfectly--she drove to dinner, we had a nice dinner, and I got pretty sloshed. Her relatives probably still think I'm a really happy, but simple minded drunk, based on the possum eating bumblebees grin on my clock all evening.

What would I have done different?

After going up there later, and looking at the tussocks in that area, I doubt there's any way you could successfully land anywhere out there, even on level ground. This is really lumpy stuff.

If I had it to do again, I'm not sure what I'd do differently, frankly, except fish that day instead of work.

There's no doubt the floats took a lot of the impact, as did the extremities of the plane.

The engine was sending signals, but they were very subtle ones. Any other pilot wouldn't have noticed the signals, but I had over 3,400 hours in that plane, and I knew there was something up. Three different, and very competent mechanics looked at it, but couldn't come up with anything. And, I can't critisize their recommendation to fly it. I should have grounded it, frankly, but the signs weren't that gross.

After it puked, I'm not sure I'd do much different. It was pretty obvious from the git go that it wasn't going to be pretty. I carried extra speed into the flare for energy to pick the nose up. Plane was empty, going north to pick up a crew. Very forward CG.

I think in these circumstances, IF YOU COULD pull it off precisely, maybe landing upslope would be better than down, but I really didn't have that option. I was low to the ground when it started, and the slope of the hill pretty much equaled my glide path. Had I turned it out to try and turn around, I'd probably have stalled it or at best not had enough energy to flare at the bottom.

I touched at about 45 knots indicated, in a Robertson STOL equipped airplane (stall speed advertised as 37). 30 Degrees of flap down.

Any time something like this happens, there are always things to learn, and its a tragedy to use up a good airplane without learning anything so any ideas or thoughts are welcome.

The plane is now flying again, by the way. It was a retirement project for the fellow who bought the wreck--owner of a large salvage operation in Omak, WA.

There are various sayings about landings:

Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

Any landing where you can still open the doors is a darn good landing

Any landing where you can use the airplane the next day is a great landing.

This definitely wasn't a great landing, by that definition.

My subsequent landings have all been slightly better to date.

The final irony: I picked this airplane up brand new from a dealer on July 5, 1986. I parked it on July 4, 1996. Apparently, the warranty was only good for ten years.

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Thanks for sharing that Mike. Sounds like you made the only logical move that was available. Hopefully we will all have the presence of mind to do the right thing if faced with that kind of situation. Good thinking on keeping the seat belts tight.
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Great story MTV.... I've always said that floats are the safest thing to fly.. I've seen more people walk away from floats landing on the ground, than I've ever seen from wheels landing in the water! (we landed straight floats and even pulled them with pickups to take off from the ground with everything from SuperCubs to Beavers).
It sounds to me like you really used your head all the way through that situation. I know just what you mean when you say the engine was giving you subtle signs... it's hard to explain but sometimes they just "talk" to ya.
Glad everything turned out well, and again thanks for sharing!
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awsome AWSOME read! and thanks for sharing MTV!
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N185CA in a somewhat better condition:

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That airplane did a lot of hard work in ten years.....

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Mike,

A plenty good forced landing.

I very much agree with having a good harness tight. The only crash that hurt me was in a plane with a cheap harness.

I expect you may have flipped or cartwheeled. The one I cartwheeled broke the right wooden spar twice and knocked the engine off. The left wing was untouched. All I remembered was that something funny happened. Anyway, it burns up kinetic energy really fast.

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Well done in all aspects, thanks for sharing, =D> and yes, I have a set of BAS harness in my 172
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Dang, last model year A185F?
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Yes, I've forgotten what the last serial number 185 was, but 5CA was close to the last. I picked it up with 22 hours on the clock and parked it with somewhere around 3600 hours TT, of which I put 3400 of those hours on it.

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Great story! Glad that you had the presence of mind to end it with the most favorable outcome.
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thanks for sharing.. lots to be learned from these kinds of stories, so I appreciate getting to read them
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"The probability of survival is equal to the angle of arrival"

In all seriousness Mike, thanks for sharing that. I remember coming across it earlier this year and it really compelled me to install BAS harnesses in my 170 .... Love em! Thanks again.
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Good story, thanx for sharing. I recently came into ownership of a 59 172 and I am right now getting ready to install a BAS shoulder restraint system. BTW, back around 1971 (I was 18) I was a crew member on a Helitack squad out of Fairbanks on 24 hour call to investigate fires in the surrounding area flying in Bell 206 JetRangers. I also recall flying over some big ridge around there (in seaplane) into some lakes where we did some awesome Great Northern Pike fishing. Miss those times. Glad you were uninjured.
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Thanks. Very good story.

What was your Plan B if the aircraft was one of those post crash aerial vehicles that caught fire?
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PapernScissors wrote:Thanks. Very good story.

What was your Plan B if the aircraft was one of those post crash aerial vehicles that caught fire?

And the 'rest of the question that got chopped when I bumped my iPad...' ...if you didn't have access to your radios to call in the blind on 121.5??
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PapernScissors wrote:
PapernScissors wrote:Thanks. Very good story.

What was your Plan B if the aircraft was one of those post crash aerial vehicles that caught fire?[/quote
And the 'rest of the question that got chopped when I bumped my iPad...' ...if you didn't have access to your radios to call in the blind on 121.5??


My agency had a policy (which I had a hand in writing) requiring us to wear inflatable floatation vests when operating seaplanes. The same policy (Aviation Life Support Equipment, or ALSE--government, you realize) also required that we wear SOME survival gear on our person at all times while in flight.

So, in my case, I wore a Stearns inflatable vest (issued by the agency, and custom made for us by Stearns), and the pockets contained various survival items, including a PLB.

My "plan B" had the plane burned was to energize the PLB in my vest, and wait for the Cavalry to arrive. In my case, it was a lot quicker and easier to just ask the duty Helitack ship to come get me, since the same folks who contract that helicopter owned the 185 I just parked.

I started wearing inflatable vests in seaplanes in the seventies in Kodiak. A lot of folks looked at me funny, but.... Then, after hearing Ray Tremblay explain that "The stuff that's in the baggage compartment in the orange bag is Camping Gear. The stuff you've got in your pockets--that's your survival gear. And, this was a guy who'd been there. So, I started stocking my float vest pockets with some basic survival gear. Been doing so and wearing a vest for most flights ever since.

That day I was not wearing Nomex clothing. The agency required helmets and fire resistant clothing to be worn by all passengers when the aircraft was on a mission involving low level surveillance or off airport landings on wheels. I pretty regularly wore a Nomex flight suit, but this day, it was pretty warm out, so I opted for cotton clothing. Fortunately, the plane didn't burn.

And, one other point. My mission was to pick up a crew and bring them back to town. So the out-haul was empty. But, I would need fuel for the Husky during the upcoming Dall Sheep Surveys, so I had four five gallon cans of avgas in the back of the 185--properly secured, thankfully. A good reminder to always secure any cargo you may have.

Anyway, thanks for the comments. If nothing else good came from this accident, a lot of folks have opted to install BAS harness systems. I don't get a kickback from them, but I truly believe they are life savers.
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@ MTV

Fabulous description. and the broken crank...ugh....

Geeez... how do you sense impending crank failures? ...maybe you don't. I guess that's when BAS + BRS (if available for your A/C) pays for itself..

Great story...very sobering... scary actually..
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I read an FAA report along time ago that most fatal A/C accidents resulted from front seat passengers head coming in contact with panel. Another case for a good shoulder harness.
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