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Re: Drift HD170 Camera - My review from a pilots perspective

Mounted my cam on my strut and flew with it yesterday. Lotta prop image am going to try a filter next I like the results Matt got. What kind of software do most of you use for editing?
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I use the Adobe Creative Suite - hope to have some examples of the filters ready to upload soon (i have a slow upload link)
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I received a Drift HD 170 from Chris over a week ago (great price, great camera) and took it on a Hells Canyon rafting trip. Without a waterproof enclosure, I was afraid to use it in the rough water (good thing too, I flipped in Wild Sheep and the camera would have been ruined). Does anyone know if a WP enclosure exists for these or if Drift will be selling one in the near future?

Also my 7-year old PC is not fast enough and plays "jerky" images. What PC configurations are people who are editing HD using? I've found references on-line for machines capable of NLE editing for HD starting at about $1,700 for just the box - no monitor or editing software. Now that I spent just under $300 on a camera do I really need to spend 5-times that much to do a good job editing? I need a new PC anyway but ouch! :shock:
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I know it has been a while, but here is my ND test. I used the plastic sheets cut to fit the lens cover. The cover did produce some slight vignetting around the corners. I found the ND filters did not let in enough light the HD170 has the options to adjust the exposure. I tried ND4 with +1 on the exposure with pretty good results. The ND 8 filter with +2 was too washed out with some angles and I didn't like it. The ND8 with +1 was pretty good, still some color wash out. I find that I prefer not to use a filter because it changes the true colors. The HD170 has excellent colors. I will use the ND8 filter with +1 when the camera is installed in the cockpit only. Here is some video.
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Hi Matt, is that the camera you use on your plane? Can you adjust the angel with the remote? Can you see what your filming from inside the plane?
Looking forward to chatting some time my friend...

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pokette wrote:I know it has been a while, but here is my ND test. I used the plastic sheets cut to fit the lens cover. The cover did produce some slight vignetting around the corners. I found the ND filters did not let in enough light the HD170 has the options to adjust the exposure. I tried ND4 with +1 on the exposure with pretty good results. The ND 8 filter with +2 was too washed out with some angles and I didn't like it. The ND8 with +1 was pretty good, still some color wash out. I find that I prefer not to use a filter because it changes the true colors. The HD170 has excellent colors. I will use the ND8 filter with +1 when the camera is installed in the cockpit only. Here is some video.


Nice demo. IMHO, I thought the ND4 + 1 was the best filtered sample.
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Hey Matt,

I don't know how I missed this thread. Thanks for the great review. Dee told me if I bought a camera now, I need to make sure that it is one that I want so I won't want to buy another one in a year from now. I'm really liking the Stealth. Are you still using the ND8 filter on yours? If you are, the next time you go flying, would you take a picture of the camera with the filter attached and describe how you have rednecked it?

Thanks to everyone for the info. I'm getting excited about this new toy.
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Re: Drift HD170 Camera - My review from a pilots perspective

I've also got a Stealth now and it's great. the video screen (for framing your shot) and remote put it heads and tails above the CountourHD that I have. Even the new Contour GPS with the forthcoming iphone app only allows you to view what is being shot - but you can't control the camera!! Lots of wasted battery time and useless footage.

BTW, I can laser cut the plastic ND filter material to exact dimensions. If anyone has any they want cut, I could do a butt load of them. No charge, just send me the material and a postage paid return envelope with dimensions!
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pokette wrote:I know it has been a while, but here is my ND test. I used the plastic sheets cut to fit the lens cover. The cover did produce some slight vignetting around the corners. I found the ND filters did not let in enough light the HD170 has the options to adjust the exposure. I tried ND4 with +1 on the exposure with pretty good results. The ND 8 filter with +2 was too washed out with some angles and I didn't like it. The ND8 with +1 was pretty good, still some color wash out. I find that I prefer not to use a filter because it changes the true colors. The HD170 has excellent colors. I will use the ND8 filter with +1 when the camera is installed in the cockpit only. Here is some video.


Hey Pockette,

Did you use the ragecam hood with these clips? How do you like it? It was mentioned earlier that the hood could be "modified" in order to turn the lense. Any idea how that works?

Thanks,

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I appear to have mostly gotten around the prop strobing effect, and other undesireable effects like panel glare reflected on the inside of the windshield, and worse of all my N number panel placard (!), by simply mounting my camera on my jury strut on a length of thin wall tubing that telescopes forward so that the prop is now out of the picture. I had to train myself not to walk into it when exiting the cockpit, but it is not that much in the way and best of all I can see the display while flying, including the LED lights that tell if it's shooting or not. I have some heavy weather strip material (left over from my Hydroswing door install, they sent way too much and it has been real handy for all kinds of stuff) that protects the jury strut paint from the bare aluminum tube, and also gives some better grip when I tape the tube with pipe wrap tape, it's crude but primitive, as secure as any other mechanical fastening system and way simple!

All this is pre bug season, but I have a clear lense coming that will at least keep them off the main lense. No filter needed with this setup. I love the stock mounting options, and find it quite versatile as to ease of rigging it to the plane. Once you shoot an entire video of some "hot" flying action, get home and review it, and then realize you were inverted the entire flight (including takeoff and landing) OR you forgot to swivel the lense around for right side up, you will never have that problem again! Watching that vid almost made me hurl, it was pretty disorienting :shock:

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emflys wrote: Even the new Contour GPS with the forthcoming iphone app only allows you to view what is being shot - but you can't control the camera!! Lots of wasted battery time and useless footage.


Yeah, when the folks at Contour told me that this first release of the iPhone software can't remotely control the camera I was pretty dissapointed. I told them it was probably a deal-breaker for a lot of pilots. I still like the Contour for different reasons (size, screw-on lens filters, easy editing/sharing software, the GPS, etc.), but I also now sell the Drift HD - its a great camera with a lot of nice features.
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courierguy wrote:I appear to have mostly gotten around the prop strobing effect, and other undesireable effects like panel glare reflected on the inside of the windshield, and worse of all my N number panel placard (!), by simply mounting my camera on my jury strut on a length of thin wall tubing that telescopes forward so that the prop is now out of the picture. I had to train myself not to walk into it when exiting the cockpit, but it is not that much in the way and best of all I can see the display while flying, including the LED lights that tell if it's shooting or not. I have some heavy weather strip material (left over from my Hydroswing door install, they sent way too much and it has been real handy for all kinds of stuff) that protects the jury strut paint from the bare aluminum tube, and also gives some better grip when I tape the tube with pipe wrap tape, it's crude but primitive, as secure as any other mechanical fastening system and way simple!

All this is pre bug season, but I have a clear lense coming that will at least keep them off the main lense. No filter needed with this setup. I love the stock mounting options, and find it quite versatile as to ease of rigging it to the plane. Once you shoot an entire video of some "hot" flying action, get home and review it, and then realize you were inverted the entire flight (including takeoff and landing) OR you forgot to swivel the lense around for right side up, you will never have that problem again! Watching that vid almost made me hurl, it was pretty disorienting :shock:



Awesome Tom - now lets see some video!!
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My trusty 7-year old PC is just getting too slow and is frustrating the daylights out of me. So, I just ordered components to build a PC that should easily be fast enough for HD editing. Heck, I can't even playback HD video with the current PC. This one should do the job with ease. I followed most of the guidlines from this site:

http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+System+recommendations+for+Video+Editing/0x4aebb06ba071d2b6a2cd784ce243a6c6.aspx

It will be based on an ASUS P6X58D-E Motherboard running an Intel Core i7 950 processer, 12GB ram, and 1.5TB of hard drive. I'll post once it is up and running :D.

Does anyone have any recomendations for building (my 1st build in a long time) or tips?
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blackrock wrote:Does anyone have any recomendations for building (my 1st build in a long time) or tips?


http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac?mco=MTM3NDc3Nzg
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blackrock wrote:Does anyone have any recomendations for building (my 1st build in a long time) or tips?


http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac?mco=MTM3NDc3Nzg


Hmm... Interesting - I always thought Mac's were much more expensive on a spped vs spped basis. Those are the same price range as what I'm building. Zane, why do you prefer Mac instead of Microsoft operating machines (I hate MS by the way).
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blackrock wrote:Does anyone have any recomendations for building (my 1st build in a long time) or tips?


http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac?mco=MTM3NDc3Nzg


Hmm... Interesting - I always thought Mac's were much more expensive on a spped vs spped basis. Those are the same price range as what I'm building. Zane, why do you prefer Mac instead of Microsoft operating machines (I hate MS by the way).


I am a software developer and graphic designer by trade. I used Windows for many years, and then started with a company that used linux. It was a company culture, because we were security experts, or good "hackers" who would help harden a client's network and desktop security. Linux generally allowed more customization and hardening of the operating system, a preference among higher end users, as well as having many of the hacker's tools built to compile with common linux libraries.

Windows for a long time suffered terribly as an easy-to-hack security model, not to mention that 99% of viruses only run on Windows. I finally became annoyed that the best graphics applications wouldn't run on linux, so I switched to the next best thing, a Mac. It is a highly customized version of Unix, based on BSD Unix, with a great user interface and no bullshit beyond their marketing. Regardless how you feel about the people who generally love Macs (artists, hippies, etc) they are truly superior machines in my opinion. The hardware is always perfectly compatible with the operating system. The hardware is well-built. They are now 64-bit, which means more efficient processing per cycle.

Recently they've gotten some press because the first reported cases of malware have come in, but that is to be expected due to their increasing popularity, and 99% better than the other alternatives. I will never buy another non-Mac unless it is for building a linux machine. Get the 27" iMac and you won't be sorry.

I have a Mac Mini as my entertainment center in the living room, running Boxee, Hulu Desktop, etc. I watch all these fun airplane videos from Youtube and Vimeo on my big TV and use my iPhone as the remote. :)
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Get the 27" iMac and you won't be sorry.


That is a great recommendation, Zane. I'll look at it further as I can always cancel my order. One of my 1st assignments as a young engineer was procurement of workstations for heavy engineering modeling. We went with Sun Workstations and I set the entire network up and became very intimate with Unix BSD - so I agree with you; that is definitely a far superior op system than MS.

Unfortunately, at work we now use MS software so if I go with a MS system that makes it less painful than using/learning two systems. Looks like I need to spend the next few hours pricing things out. :?
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Okay, maybe Zane or others can help out here. Similarly configured, a Mac seems to be about 150% more money than a MS based system. Is it worth that much more (about $1AMU) to go with a Mac? I really like the idea of a Mac; however that is a lot of premium. Is less processor or RAM needed in a MAC vs a MS based system. I can see that if the OS has that much less overhead. Then I could relax the spec's and lower the Mac cost.

Thoughts?
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blackrock wrote:Okay, maybe Zane or others can help out here. Similarly configured, a Mac seems to be about 150% more money than a MS based system. Is it worth that much more (about $1AMU) to go with a Mac? I really like the idea of a Mac; however that is a lot of premium. Is less processor or RAM needed in a MAC vs a MS based system. I can see that if the OS has that much less overhead. Then I could relax the spec's and lower the Mac cost.

Thoughts?


It's not apples to apples in processor comparison. Most apps are 64-bit and get a lot more done with less processor.

The biggest critics of Macs are often those who haven't used them, or have struggled to make them fit into a Windows dominated enterprise. As a home workstation, especially for video/photo/graphics workflow, it is killer.
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Every time I look at this picture, I try to see a refueling tanker hose. lol

blackrock wrote:My trusty 7-year old PC is just getting too slow and is frustrating the daylights out of me. So, I just ordered components to build a PC that should easily be fast enough for HD editing. Heck, I can't even playback HD video with the current PC. This one should do the job with ease. I followed most of the guidelines from this site:

http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+System+recommendations+for+Video+Editing/0x4aebb06ba071d2b6a2cd784ce243a6c6.aspx

It will be based on an ASUS P6X58D-E Motherboard running an Intel Core i7 950 processor, 12GB ram, and 1.5TB of hard drive. I'll post once it is up and running :D.

Does anyone have any recomendations for building (my 1st build in a long time) or tips?


I just built my first computer a few weeks ago. For the most part it's pretty easy. I watched a few youtube videos and had to google some stuff, but the entire build took about 6 hours. Also, I went with the unlocked 3.3ghz i5 -2500K over the locked 3.1 ghz i7-950. Read up on the sandy bridge stuff and you'll see why. If you can afford a i7-2600K, that would be blazing fast. My build consists of: i5-2500K, 8GB RAM, 1TB 7200 HD, CD/DVD, 700W, Radeon HD5750 card and Asus P8P67 Pro mobo for about $750 after rebates. It's pretty fast and handles HD editing with no problems.

If you wanted to spend an extra $500, I would highly recommend a Mac. In the end, I wanted experience, the potential for easy upgrades in the future, and I was on a strict budget.... so I built. Check out Micro Center, if there's one in your area, go there (and bring your credit card).
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