Just saw E.I. has a crazy fall rebate on their CGR-30P. $1000 off the unit till Dec 1st!

To be clear, this is just for the Basic model for a 6 cyl ($700 for 4 cyl)

The Basic model wont give you all the functionality of the premium, but if you need a simple engine monitor (CHT/EGTs) fuel flow computer this would be a great deal. (also does Volts, OAT, RPM and tach time.)

Thank you! Very timely news, I was just starting to look at options.

Thanks for the info! Just to be clear, this will only cover 5 primaries?

I would do the research on the E.I. site, but the basic only does RPM, Fuel Flow, EGT/CHG, Fuel remaining, Volts, OAT, Tach Time, Local Time, Zulu Time, Flight Timer, Fuel Used for the flight, Fuel used since last fill-up, and all GPS/Fuel Flow Data.

If you want "primaries" you need the Premium. In other words, you cant use it to remove Oil P, Oil T, Fuel P, Vac, MP etc...

I thought it was a pretty neat instrument when I used it in the XCub the other day...good for a smaller panel where space might be limited.

The "Basic" package will replace up to 4 "primary" instruments, and up to 5 "non-primary" instruments. The Tachometer is always one of those, and with the "Basic" model there is no Manifold Pressure gauge available (the "Premium" version has that).

As I understand it, "Primary" means "required" instruments, such as oil pressure and oil temp (which are two of the available "primaries" you can use. The "non-primary" instruments are either non-required instruments, or ones that do NOT replace the factory gauges.

The "Premium" package will replace up to 7 "primary" instruments, and adds another 5 "non-primary" instruments. The primary instruments always include Tach, EGT, and CHT. You can add up to five additional primary functions, selected from this list: MP, Fuel Flow, Fuel Pressure, TIT, Oil Press, Oil Temp, L&R Fuel Level (counts as 2 functions), Main Fuel Level, Aux Fuel Level, Vac, Volts, or Amps. The non-primary functions can include any of the following: OAT (F or C), HP (requires M.P.), Flight Timer, Engine Time, Tach Time, Local Time, Zulu Time, Volts, Carb Temp, Amps, Fuel Flow, Hydraulic Press, G-Meter, Cabin Altitude, Cabin Differential Pressure, IAT, CDT, and CO Detector.

There's a lot more to this, but you get the general idea. The "Premium" system adds a LOT of capability for only a small increment in price. It's what I went with when I put one in the Commander 114 that I used to own. It was fantastic, and I highly recommend this solution. I was initially a bit worried about the readability of the display, since I wear reading glasses, but after seeing the display at a fly-in, I realized it was crystal-clear and very sharp. I will probably install one in the experimental Bearhawk Patrol I'm building.

Damn I wish this was for the premium version! I wonder if there will be more rebates from them as the year goes on.

pilotryan wrote:Damn I wish this was for the premium version! I wonder if there will be more rebates from them as the year goes on.

They do have a rebate on the premium, it's just less. I doubt you can expect a greater discount, but it's only money.

JP256 wrote:The "Basic" package will replace up to 4 "primary" instruments, and up to 5 "non-primary" instruments.

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case as the ability to "replace" primary instruments is the differentiator between the Basic and Premium. I believe with the Basic you only item you can replace from the TCDS is the RPM.

If you want to pick and choose and remove goodies, you have to spend a little bit more and go with the Premium.

pilotryan wrote:I wonder if there will be more rebates from them as the year goes on.

Most likely not. They usually do one or two a year which are usually the same. One at OSH and then one in the fall. This $1k rebate is the deepest I have seen.

Well I guess I decided to start my project at the perfect time! Now that everything that I want from them has a rebate going, I get to figure out what one I want to spend dollar on.

Thanks for pointing out their rebate, I doubt I would have noticed it otherwise!

Bigrenna wrote:

JP256 wrote:The "Basic" package will replace up to 4 "primary" instruments, and up to 5 "non-primary" instruments.

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case as the ability to "replace" primary instruments is the differentiator between the Basic and Premium. I believe with the Basic you only item you can replace from the TCDS is the RPM.

If you want to pick and choose and remove goodies, you have to spend a little bit more and go with the Premium.

Greg is right. Go to the Aircraft Spruce catalog or to EI's web site. Here's the data from the Spruce site, comparing the basic six cylinder package to the premium six cylinder unit:

CGR-30P-6-B 6-Cylinder Basic Package with RPM, Fuel Flow, EGT/ CHT Bar Graph, Fuel Remaining, Volts, OAT, Tach Time, Local Time, Zulu Time, Flight Timer, Fuel Used for the Flight, Fuel Used Since Fill-up and all GPS/Fuel Flow Data. 10-05430 $3648.00

CGR-30P-6-P 6-Cylinder Premium Package with RPM, EGT/CHT Bar Graph, Fuel Remaining, Fuel Used, FPS/Fuel Flow Data, Engine Time, Tach Time, 5 Primary Functions of your choice and 5 Non-Primary functions of your choice.

Note the absence of the term "Primary" in the basic package, which means with that package, you must retain the primary instruments which are required in the TCDS. Whereas, if you pay the extra for the Premium package, it serves as primary information, and can replace those basic instruments.

Gotta read the whole ads on these things. Why else would the premium package cost so much more if they both do the same things?

MTV

Would anybody care to estimate the weight savings from buying the Premium version and removing as many steam gauges as possible?

Are any of those gauges really heavy?

I appreciate a clean panel, just trying to figure out how much every pound of weight reduction costs.

Sometimes......

Whenever I see steep discounts I always wonder if there might be a new version or new model coming out. Corporate usually has a good reason for offering steep discounts.

Just food for thought.

Hello all,

I'll do by best to clear up any questions. The CGR-30P Basic always includes RPM, EGT/CHT engine analyzer, fuel flow (GPH, estimated qty remaining, time to empty, distance to empty, etc), volts, OAT and multiple timers. No other functions or options are available such as manifold pressure, oil pressure, oil temperature, etc. Everyone gets the same, "off the shelf" gauge. It is legal to replace the factory tach, CHT gauge and fuel flow gauge if equipped.

The CGR-30P Premium always includes RPM and the EGT/CHT engine analyzer. As it is completely customizable, the user selects the 5 additional primary functions and the 5 non-primary functions. Primary functions are any indication with limits/redlines. Primary functions can also replace the factory instruments.

The reason for the rebate is not to reduce inventory, making room for an updated version. We are marketing the Basic version and Premium version to two different customers. The Basic is priced for those that are looking for an attractive, color engine monitor/analyzer with a fuel totalizer and the Premium is for those looking for that and primary instrument replacement. We wanted to offer a rebate large enough on the Basic to make it attractive to customers looking at our competitors' EGT/CHT systems and be able to offer more functionality at a very similar price. Had we reversed the rebate amounts, it would have priced the Premium very near the Basic version, making the Basic version almost unsaleable.

I'm happy to answer any questions as they come up. Feel free to PM me.

Safe flying!

Dave Arata
Electronics International
Sales/Support

You can figure on roughly 7-8 pounds for an entire CGR-30P, 4 cyl package, maybe .25-.50lbs more for a 6 cyl.

Thanks for the clarifications, Dave....always fun to speculate, but data is better....

MTV

I have a few dozen hours behind my GCR-30P and love it. Such a great little unit that's very easy to read.

I'd also like to say thank you again to Dave for his great customer / tech support. I had an issue come up that wasn't related to the install or unit, and he helped me as best as he could via many emails and phone calls to get me going. A great company and a great product!

Echoing Matt's remarks, although I've not had personal contacts with EI, my IA has told me that they're very responsive to questions and concerns, besides making good products. I have a VA-1A volt/amp meter and a FP-5L fuel flow meter in my panel.

Cary